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[P4]

c'est en Anglais désolé mais vu que c'est la premiere fois qu'un article parle de Dassault et du Rafale en Norvège j'ai pas pu résister.

JSF Partnerships in Question Norway Rethinks F-35 Agreement By GERARD O’DWYER, HELSINKI Posted 04/10/06

Norway’s Labor government is re-examining its membership in the Lockheed Martin-led Joint Strike Fighter F-35 program, Defense Minister Anne-Grete Strøm-Erichsen told the Storting, Norway’s national legislature, on March 30. Strøm-Erichsen said the government remained unhappy over certain aspects of the project, especially the technical nature and value of peripheral deals being offered to Norwegian industry as part of the program.“The procurement program for new fighters for the Air Force will be a very costly project for Norway,” Strøm-Erichsen said. “It is the duty of this government to ensure that we not only choose the fighter type that is best suited to our needs, but that Norwegian industry will benefit as much as possible from the final arrangement.” Norway’s participation in the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program was championed by former Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik, who headed a minority rainbow coalition of Conservatives, Liberals and Christian Democrats. The Bondevik administration was replaced by Labor Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg after parliamentary elections in October. Labor criticized Bondevik’s open support for the JSF program and suggested exploring alternatives, including France’s Dassault Rafale, the BAE-Saab JAS 39 Gripen and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

State Secretary Espen Barth Eide conceded that the Labor government is less committed to consummating its relationship with the JSF program than was the case when Bondevik was in power. The visible weakening of the Labor administration’s ties to the JSF program has resulted in the state secretary re-opening talks with Sweden and Dassault. Eide said talks March 28 with Dassault representatives in Oslo were “productive.” The meeting followed a March 8 conference with his Swedish counterpart, Jonas Hjelm, to discuss Norway’s fighter procurement plan. “We have talked with [Dassault] and Saab, and we intend to keep on talking to all the potential candidates, including the Joint Strike Fighter and the Eurofighter,” Eide said. “With Rafale, we spoke about the prospects for a strong high-technology-driven defense industry agreement between Norway and France.”

Norway’s $8 billion fighter procurement project foresees the purchase of 48 planes to replace F-16s slated to start retiring in 2020. “We need to reassess all of the options,” Eide said. “It was believed in some areas of politics and defense that the Joint Strike Fighter is the only type we were looking at and interested in. This is not the case. We want to achieve a solution that results in Norway purchasing the best aircraft with a large amount of the sub-contract work taking place in Norway.” Labor party adviser Olav Akselen said March 31 that the government would be “well served” to consider re-opening talks with Sweden regarding an offset arrangement for the JAS Gripen. Akselen, who was the petroleum and energy minister in the previous Labor government in 2001, is chairman of two of the legislature’s most influential committees: the Standing Committee of Foreign Affairs and the Standing Committee for Business and Industry. “Unlike the Joint Strike Fighter, the JAS Gripen is already flying with air forces in Europe and South Africa,” he said. “One scenario could be an offset arrangement whereby Norway can purchase new fighter aircraft in return for the supply to Sweden of oil and natural gas.”

In a Feb. 23 statement to the Storting, Strøm-Erichsen said that Norway would need to clarify its relationship with the JSF program in May if not before. “We are continuing to talk with the Pentagon, the State Department and officials from Lockheed Martin,” Strøm-Erichsen said. “We will continue to be vocal about our concerns and raise issues that we feel are important.” Seeking Bigger Industry Role The Ministry of Defense (MoD) has compiled a wish list of products and systems that could be provided by Norwegian industry, including the high-profile Naval Strike Missile. The MoD, which wants the JSF to carry the stealth standoff weapon, has offered Norway’s Kongsberg Group as a candidate for such a project. The company would hope to secure advanced composites contracts relating to the manufacture of drop-tanks and supplementary structural components for the aircraft. Eide said that concerns raised with the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin centered on what gains Norwegian industry could expect to take in the event that Norway commit to purchasing the JSF. He accepted that many of the larger subcontracts had already been delegated. “The government would like to see a situation where Norwegian industry was offered high-technology work,” Eide said. “We would not like to see a situation where low-grade contracts were offered on the manufacture of secondary items. Contracts that involved the manufacture of advanced materials and systems integration are more interesting.” Speaking at a press conference in Oslo on Feb. 7, Strøm-Erichsen said Norway’s continued participation in the JSF program was not the most critical issue outstanding. “Our options remain open. We could remain in the JSF program and not buy the aircraft,” said Strøm-Erichsen. “Alternatively, we could leave the program and decide at a later stage to purchase the aircraft. We are under no pressure to make a final decision on what fighter aircraft we will buy until 2008.”

Representatives from Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands and Norway met in Noordwijk, Netherlands, on March 7 to discuss European JSF cooperation. Strøm-Erichsen said that the meeting’s participants agreed that any European plan would have to wait until there is a shared European vision of the assembly, sustainment processes and technology transfer; and support for the vision by U.S. authorities and aircraft and engine producers. “The partners agreed the next step is for a plan to be worked out in detail in consultation with the U.S. authorities and the industries involved,” Strøm-Erichsen said. “The joint plan should be completed by the summer.” The plan would guide a memorandum of understanding on JSF production and sustainment, which is expected to be signed by all partners by year’s end, he said. Norway joined the JSF program as a Level 4 member in 2002, joining other Level 4 participants Canada, Denmark, Australia, Turkey and Israel. Oslo’s total financial contribution amounts to $150 million over 10 years. Norway’s next installment of $21 million is due in June.

en plus les deux seul commentaires positifs sont pour le camp Français.

Eide said talks March 28 with Dassault representatives in Oslo were “productive.”

Eide said. “With Rafale, we spoke about the prospects for a strong high-technology-driven defense industry agreement between Norway and France.”

des avis?

[jeanmi]

et en gros cela veut dire quoi :?:

[P4]

suite a une alternace politique post électorale le partit au pouvoir re-examine l'implication de la Norvège dans le programme JSF et son achat eventuel. en effet pour le nouveau pouvoir en place en plus d'avoir un avion qui correspond aux besoins du pays l'exigence de retour sur investissement est prioritaire. pour l'instant cette exigeance n'est pas satisfaite d'autant plus que les contrats interressants ont deja ete attribués et les sous contrats restants ne semblent pas correspondrent aux attentes Norvégiennes. des discusions avec d'autres fournisseurs d'avions (Dassault,Saab et EF) ont repris et toutes les options sont possibles d'ici 2008.

[TMor]

Je poste pour ouvrir ma grande gue..le mais en même temps, le Rafale est apparemment et selon toute vraisemblance le seul équivalent au JSF. Ca serait LOGIQUE que les pays émettant des doutes sur le JSF se tournent vers le Rafale. A moins qu'ils aient opté pour le JSF histoire de se faire des relations, et dans ce cas, ils préfèreront remplacer les USA par les Européens... :rolleyes: :lol:

[Ripolin]

Maintenant le choix de tel ou tel avion de chasse ne se fait plus sur la logique mais sur la politique. Sinon cela ferait belle lurette que le Rafale serait vendu à l'étranger :cry: !

[TMor]

Maintenant le choix de tel ou tel avion de chasse ne se fait plus sur la logique mais sur la politique. Sinon cela ferait belle lurette que le Rafale serait vendu à l'étranger :cry: !

C'est bizarre, normalement, à ce moment là, ya un belge qui déboule et qui cherche à casser l'ambiance en disant "Mouai... C'est bizarre, ya que les français sur les forum français qui disent ce genre de choses. Je parle toutes les langues d'Europe, et partout ailleurs, ils disent que c'est normal que l'Eurof s'impose... C'est bizarre non ?"... sous entendant "eh oh les français, on se réveille !". :lol:

Bah, ça me manque les belges. :rolleyes: (Clad, si tu me lis)