PARIKRAMA Story

[zx]

il y a quelques années l'onera avait sorti une nouvelle génération de super alliage pour le support des hautes température, comme le temps des motoristes est quasiment indien, ils sont peut être passés aux applications. 

Modifié le 12 octobre 2017 par zx

[Bon Plan]

  Le 12/10/2017 à 10:10, Picdelamirand-oil a dit :

Donc une avancée technologique qui permet de plus hautes températures qui augmentent la poussée maximum disponible. 

Il reste à valider d'autres modifications (appelées pack ECO+) qui permettent de retrouver les performances en maintenance du moteur actuel, malgrès les conditions locales d'environnement plus sévères que la moyenne. Cela explique sans doute aussi les modifications déjà citées concernant la pollution par l'humidité et les poussières.

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C'est en cours donc.  Mais est ce que cela sera prêt pour le Qatar ?    I have a doubt ....

[gargouille]

  Le 12/10/2017 à 12:05, Bon Plan a dit :

C'est en cours donc.  Mais est ce que cela sera prêt pour le Qatar ?    I have a doubt ....

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Si le nouveau est rétrocompatible, ce n'est pas un vrai problème.

[Bon Plan]

  Le 12/10/2017 à 12:07, gargouille a dit :

Si le nouveau est rétrocompatible, ce n'est pas un vrai problème.

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C'est qu'il y a une bouteille de champ en jeu, donc pas de blague. 

Modifié le 12 octobre 2017 par Bon Plan

[gargouille]

  Le 12/10/2017 à 12:08, Bon Plan a dit :

C'est qu'il y a une bouteille de champ en jeu, donc pas de blague. 

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Je pense que pour le Qatar ça restera secret pour cause diplomatique.

 

Bon si ça ne sauve pas la bouteille de champ !!!

 

Modifié le 12 octobre 2017 par gargouille

[Bon Plan]

Du nouveau.

Rafale international fait peu parler de lui en Inde, mais semble placer ses pions...

http://indiandefence.com/threads/rafale-deal-signed.56201/page-460#post-600292

[Teenytoon]

 C’est quoi la pièce jointe associée à en tête de Thales ? Je n’y ai pas accès. 

[prof.566]

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/thales-develops-active-array-radar-which-meets-needs-of-hal/article9908310.ece

 

similaire

[Teenytoon]

Merci. Bref c’est que du bon pour la team Rafale

[Bon Plan]

Document de ce bon Parikrama, envoyé suite à la sollicitation du sieur Halloween sur le site indien....  (mail que ce bon Halloweenl aurait envoyé à... Macron !)

 

http://indiandefence.com/threads/rafale-deal-signed.56201/page-462#post-600525

 

...Sure @halloweene

May XX, 2017


Translated to english..

Mail to Emmanuel Macron (in personal capacity to prez public email id ) by Halloweene from his personal id
+++

Mr. President,

On May 3rd, you will receive Mr. Modi.

After years of attending forums and other Indian defense sites, and without being in the secret of the Gods, I would like to share with you the feelings that are found in these circles. Your wish to start the studies for a PA2 is known, as is the evocation by Mr. Collet Billon before the National Assembly of collaborations with India and raises high hopes.


The same is true for a possible technical assistance from Dassault Aviation vis-à-vis the Indian project AMCA stealth aircraft (and the drone "AURA", Germany, by knocking on the door of the program FCAS successively proposed to design (which is not in their real skills) a bomber fighter to replace the Tornado and then asked for information on the American F-35. Spain will soon have to replace its F18 with breath of breath.

France, beyond the standard F4 Rafale that has just been launched will have to undertake studies for an MLU then a Rafale "NG".

It seems to me here to discern important opportunities for industrial and financial synergies.

The same is true of my Indian correspondents.

I venture to presume, certainly presumptuously, to mention the following possibilities:
 

"Save" the Indian program Tejas MkII, under the Rafale contract offsets. This would have the advantage on the one hand, without competition for the Rafale, to establish a relationship of strategic confidence with India while preserving their national pride.

On the other hand, this would cut the grass under foot to SAAB and Lockheed Martin who are trying to establish themselves on the Indian market. In this respect, the fact that Mr. Parrikar moving away is a positive sign.

To propose joint studies between the aircraft carriers PA2 and IAC2.

Propose an Indian Franco initiative for a Rafale NG aircraft (which would not need to be called Rafale ...) / AMCA FGWS (name of Airbus / DE of a new tactical combat aircraft)

Propose to associate Germany and Spain, which would allow them to retain skills and an industrial base that they would lose permanently in case of purchase of the F-35.

Propose to India a collaboration in the framework of the AURA drone and an admission ticket FCAS once the studies are sufficiently mature.

All of course as part of the program of the system of systems FCAS or assimilated.

I suspect that all this has already been reflected by the strategists. The only thing I can assure you is that it would be eminently well perceived on the Indian side by those interested.

With all my wishes of success in front of the vast yards that are open in front of you.


++++

The reply from Elysee


"Rest assured that he read carefully the reflections you express about India."

Modifié le 18 octobre 2017 par Bon Plan

[herciv]

  Le 17/10/2017 à 17:35, Bon Plan a dit :

Document de ce bon Parikrama, envoyé suite à la sollicitation du sieur Vstol Jockey sur le site indien....  (mail que ce bon Vstol aurait envoyé à... Macron !)

 

http://indiandefence.com/threads/rafale-deal-signed.56201/page-462#post-600525

 

...Sure @halloweene

May XX, 2017


Translated to english..

Mail to Emmanuel Macron (in personal capacity to prez public email id ) by Halloweene from his personal id
+++

Mr. President,

On May 3rd, you will receive Mr. Modi.

After years of attending forums and other Indian defense sites, and without being in the secret of the Gods, I would like to share with you the feelings that are found in these circles. Your wish to start the studies for a PA2 is known, as is the evocation by Mr. Collet Billon before the National Assembly of collaborations with India and raises high hopes.


The same is true for a possible technical assistance from Dassault Aviation vis-à-vis the Indian project AMCA stealth aircraft (and the drone "AURA", Germany, by knocking on the door of the program FCAS successively proposed to design (which is not in their real skills) a bomber fighter to replace the Tornado and then asked for information on the American F-35. Spain will soon have to replace its F18 with breath of breath.

France, beyond the standard F4 Rafale that has just been launched will have to undertake studies for an MLU then a Rafale "NG".

It seems to me here to discern important opportunities for industrial and financial synergies.

The same is true of my Indian correspondents.

I venture to presume, certainly presumptuously, to mention the following possibilities:
 

"Save" the Indian program Tejas MkII, under the Rafale contract offsets. This would have the advantage on the one hand, without competition for the Rafale, to establish a relationship of strategic confidence with India while preserving their national pride.

On the other hand, this would cut the grass under foot to SAAB and Lockheed Martin who are trying to establish themselves on the Indian market. In this respect, the fact that Mr. Parrikar moving away is a positive sign.

To propose joint studies between the aircraft carriers PA2 and IAC2.

Propose an Indian Franco initiative for a Rafale NG aircraft (which would not need to be called Rafale ...) / AMCA FGWS (name of Airbus / DE of a new tactical combat aircraft)

Propose to associate Germany and Spain, which would allow them to retain skills and an industrial base that they would lose permanently in case of purchase of the F-35.

Propose to India a collaboration in the framework of the AURA drone and an admission ticket FCAS once the studies are sufficiently mature.

All of course as part of the program of the system of systems FCAS or assimilated.

 

I suspect that all this has already been reflected by the strategists. The only thing I can assure you is that it would be eminently well perceived on the Indian side by those interested.

With all my wishes of success in front of the vast yards that are open in front of you.


++++

The reply from Elysee


"Rest assured that he read carefully the reflections you express about India."

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C'est la lettre envoyée par @prof.566 juste avant le second tour !!

Halloween est prof566

[Bon Plan]

  Le 17/10/2017 à 19:17, herciv a dit :

C'est la lettre envoyée par @prof.566 juste avant le second tour !!

Halloween est prof566

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Halloween oui, pas Vstol.  Je corrige mon post. Désolé.

[Picdelamirand-oil]

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Tomorrow is Diwali and i wish to bring you few positive news coming from corridors of power.

• Even though DM NS has been touring multiple places, there has been hectic discussion on Fighter jet procurement between PMO, MOD officials, IAF and DM on phone.
• NSA Doval is actively involved as well and has given inputs which may tilt the jet deal purchase.
• Numerous attempts has been made by PMO to get a approval from IAF for F-16 and a total USA shift with F-35 coming in place of FGFA program
• PAKFA Stage 2 limited 4 squads to be procured off the shelf to pacify Russia in lieu of the FGFA "frozen" status.
• BUT here comes the BIG TWIST - LUCK & PERSISTENCE won the day for IAF
• Few News that will find way to main stream media over time is
  • POTUS Trump has done numerous U Turns and latest seems to have taken the air out of PM NM confidence levels on growing USA India relationship.
  • POTUS Trump wants America first and wishes maximum jobs in America and limited work in India TASL for MII Program
  • In reality he wishes to meet MII terms in a way which benefits his America first campaign more.
  • He wants F-16 program shifted to India superficially as long as things are produced in America and generate American Employment.
  • POTUS has expressed dis-satisfaction via Embassy officials for non cooperation in Afghanistan front where POTUS wanted India to commit at least 5000 boots officially.
  • On Top in a big shift POTUS also explained that India can be member of Security Council but without any Veto Power and this is what China and Russia also wants personally.
  • NSG deal is still under consideration but India needs to demonstrate the USA shift before any more "hard work" is to be done by USA for making other members agree on India inclusion.
  • To further the cause, POTUS sanctioned EMALS tech to India for its IAC-2 carrier but wants F-18 SH selected for IAC-1 (57 MRCBF) with minimal offsets.
  • There are more strategic issues as well with emphasis to contain Pakistan verbally but doing limited work in reality.
  • For Gripen as well POTUS made it clear that he will actively discourage personally all American MIC for any deal but in media he will do a PR work and say otherwise.
  • All this discussion over last fortnight with US officials and PMO has dented PM NM confidence in a big way.
• This body blow has come in a bad time when FGFA deal is becoming increasingly difficult and also Russia wants more of deals without any offsets.
• Russia has now offered Mig-35 for IAF again in 1st week of October with revised offer of Engine tech like MKI deal and have asked India to look at this deal if FGFA falters.
• In lieu of all this PM NM has gone soft and said go slow with LM and Boeing deals till he gets more clarity and avoid U Turns from POTUS.
• This is a marked shift from earlier G2G route he wanted to take and close out things asap for a concrete media blitz before 2019 polls.

Now where is the good news ? here comes the good news...

• French Safranised Kaveri is on track and a report has been submitted of the progress.
• The Dassualt Team and French government has submitted a list of possible systems which they want to integrate into LCA Mk1A and make it far more portent deriving from Rafale and Mirage experiences and feedback from IAF who had given detailed feedback on M2Ks
• Their plan is to make LCA Mk1A far more modular internally and ease of systems integration for a growth potential upside.
• MII offer has been sweetened in a big way via these integrations and DRAL becoming a player in LCA Ecosystem.
• Rafale Program is further boosted with a hybrid new Engine boost- amalgamation of Kaveri variable cycle with M-88 core to create a family of engines is now official and on black and white.
• Same size, same core, same modularity and similar tech powering both LCA Mk1A and Rafale India
• This engine will also be Made in India.
• Officially the Rafale M wingtip is now getting tested with a mechanism to disintegrate in 5 minutes and fit into <10m span and re attaching the same in max 15 minutes with another 5 minutes for a full system check.
• This system is planned for IAC-1 deployment and is part of the offering under "further research point" in naval tender.
• The MII plan is further accelerated with French side clearly saying UAE and another order amounting to almost 78 Rafales in total will be supplied via DRAL when MII factory is up and running as well.
• These Export Orders and their MRO will be DRAL India only as per French officials.
• French state visits and Team Dassault will be strong in next 4 months with a emphasis to seal the deal asap on Rafale MII.
• In civil side, Falcon Jet production is also given a go ahead to give more value for DRAL India.

And lastly, in lieu of all these discussions and PM NM reluctance to sign F-16 deal, there is one another good news.

NSA Doval has emphasized on fast tracking Rafale deal for MII over SE deals and any other order. 

Personal Comment
So Diwali has been good for IAF.. Now i hope the rest of the things gets done as well on time. 

French side has a small window of opportunity and a big winner by their side. They should contact NSA and IAF and close this MII deal out soon..

A full detailed public information dissemination of LCA Mk1A with proposed French systems and how they plan to add and benefit LCA Ecosystem will go a long way..

Hopefully if i get more information on this, will share it here as well.....

For now PMO dream of USA shift is on hold.. Cant blame PM NM.. POTUS Trump is inconsistent with his views.. That will be a big challenge for India for any concrete move...

Vive la France Inde .. 

 

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Je n'arrive pas à enregistrer ma traduction: celle ci disparaît à l'enregistrement de l'édition! je vais la placer dans un nouveau post!

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Vijyes said: ↑

Can you explain the safranised Kaveri part? How can it be indigenous if it has M88 core? Will India have full technology access to it or will there be imported parts?

Also, is there going to be Kaveri with Kabini core which is fully Indian as another version of the engine for Tejas MK-2 while MK1A and Rafale get Safranised Kaveri?

 

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Indigenous in terms of parts and value will be demonstrated as Kaveri Metallurgy is further improved and technology of existing kaveri is used as well .. This means Present MIC will become part of Safran ecosystem for this engine program. The core tech research will be accessible for further development programs and the metallurgy behind the same will be in Indian MIC.

There wont be imported parts... Safran Engines for Fighter jets and Helos will be fully made in India. There is a bigger facility coming up in Goa where they forsee a total of 10K + engines supply potential to Indian Military Programs.

Kabini core has certain challenges which does not enable it to go beyond 8X Kn consistently. The errors and stability is beyond rectification unless internally the systems are redesigned from ground zero up. Certain metallurgical changes needs time and industrial techniques. The M88 core and certain parts into Safranised Kaveri comes more of a plug and play for the last mile approach for Kaveri Program success. It needs to be seen if kabini is further developed or not. As of now emphasis is on Safranised Kaveri Engine family ..

Since Kaveri is variable cycle and its rating is better than European and American counterparts, French side plans to use these engines and tech for future Rafale fleet back home as well. Perhaps a global fleet MLU if India agrees. Implying a further pathway of development for Safranised Kaveri program and its heavier iterations. 

The Rolls Royce Offer of development was in counter to this as it was already known in defence circles that Safranised Kaveri success will aide India more by freeing up its dependency on other Engine makers..

A traduire mais je suis fatigué de ma journée, on verra demain

Modifié le 19 octobre 2017 par Picdelamirand-oil

[herciv]

  Le 18/10/2017 à 19:20, Picdelamirand-oil a dit :

  Révéler le contenu masqué

 

Tomorrow is Diwali and i wish to bring you few positive news coming from corridors of power.

• Even though DM NS has been touring multiple places, there has been hectic discussion on Fighter jet procurement between PMO, MOD officials, IAF and DM on phone.
• NSA Doval is actively involved as well and has given inputs which may tilt the jet deal purchase.
• Numerous attempts has been made by PMO to get a approval from IAF for F-16 and a total USA shift with F-35 coming in place of FGFA program
• PAKFA Stage 2 limited 4 squads to be procured off the shelf to pacify Russia in lieu of the FGFA "frozen" status.
• BUT here comes the BIG TWIST - LUCK & PERSISTENCE won the day for IAF
• Few News that will find way to main stream media over time is
  • POTUS Trump has done numerous U Turns and latest seems to have taken the air out of PM NM confidence levels on growing USA India relationship.
  • POTUS Trump wants America first and wishes maximum jobs in America and limited work in India TASL for MII Program
  • In reality he wishes to meet MII terms in a way which benefits his America first campaign more.
  • He wants F-16 program shifted to India superficially as long as things are produced in America and generate American Employment.
  • POTUS has expressed dis-satisfaction via Embassy officials for non cooperation in Afghanistan front where POTUS wanted India to commit at least 5000 boots officially.
  • On Top in a big shift POTUS also explained that India can be member of Security Council but without any Veto Power and this is what China and Russia also wants personally.
  • NSG deal is still under consideration but India needs to demonstrate the USA shift before any more "hard work" is to be done by USA for making other members agree on India inclusion.
  • To further the cause, POTUS sanctioned EMALS tech to India for its IAC-2 carrier but wants F-18 SH selected for IAC-1 (57 MRCBF) with minimal offsets.
  • There are more strategic issues as well with emphasis to contain Pakistan verbally but doing limited work in reality.
  • For Gripen as well POTUS made it clear that he will actively discourage personally all American MIC for any deal but in media he will do a PR work and say otherwise.
  • All this discussion over last fortnight with US officials and PMO has dented PM NM confidence in a big way.
• This body blow has come in a bad time when FGFA deal is becoming increasingly difficult and also Russia wants more of deals without any offsets.
• Russia has now offered Mig-35 for IAF again in 1st week of October with revised offer of Engine tech like MKI deal and have asked India to look at this deal if FGFA falters.
• In lieu of all this PM NM has gone soft and said go slow with LM and Boeing deals till he gets more clarity and avoid U Turns from POTUS.
• This is a marked shift from earlier G2G route he wanted to take and close out things asap for a concrete media blitz before 2019 polls.

Now where is the good news ? here comes the good news...

• French Safranised Kaveri is on track and a report has been submitted of the progress.
• The Dassualt Team and French government has submitted a list of possible systems which they want to integrate into LCA Mk1A and make it far more portent deriving from Rafale and Mirage experiences and feedback from IAF who had given detailed feedback on M2Ks
• Their plan is to make LCA Mk1A far more modular internally and ease of systems integration for a growth potential upside.
• MII offer has been sweetened in a big way via these integrations and DRAL becoming a player in LCA Ecosystem.
• Rafale Program is further boosted with a hybrid new Engine boost- amalgamation of Kaveri variable cycle with M-88 core to create a family of engines is now official and on black and white.
• Same size, same core, same modularity and similar tech powering both LCA Mk1A and Rafale India
• This engine will also be Made in India.
• Officially the Rafale M wingtip is now getting tested with a mechanism to disintegrate in 5 minutes and fit into <10m span and re attaching the same in max 15 minutes with another 5 minutes for a full system check.
• This system is planned for IAC-1 deployment and is part of the offering under "further research point" in naval tender.
• The MII plan is further accelerated with French side clearly saying UAE and another order amounting to almost 78 Rafales in total will be supplied via DRAL when MII factory is up and running as well.
• These Export Orders and their MRO will be DRAL India only as per French officials.
• French state visits and Team Dassault will be strong in next 4 months with a emphasis to seal the deal asap on Rafale MII.
• In civil side, Falcon Jet production is also given a go ahead to give more value for DRAL India.

And lastly, in lieu of all these discussions and PM NM reluctance to sign F-16 deal, there is one another good news.

NSA Doval has emphasized on fast tracking Rafale deal for MII over SE deals and any other order. 

Personal Comment
So Diwali has been good for IAF.. Now i hope the rest of the things gets done as well on time. 

French side has a small window of opportunity and a big winner by their side. They should contact NSA and IAF and close this MII deal out soon..

A full detailed public information dissemination of LCA Mk1A with proposed French systems and how they plan to add and benefit LCA Ecosystem will go a long way..

Hopefully if i get more information on this, will share it here as well.....

For now PMO dream of USA shift is on hold.. Cant blame PM NM.. POTUS Trump is inconsistent with his views.. That will be a big challenge for India for any concrete move...

Vive la France Inde .. 

 

A traduire mais je suis fatigué de ma journée, on verra demain

  Révéler le contenu masqué

Indigenous in terms of parts and value will be demonstrated as Kaveri Metallurgy is further improved and technology of existing kaveri is used as well .. This means Present MIC will become part of Safran ecosystem for this engine program. The core tech research will be accessible for further development programs and the metallurgy behind the same will be in Indian MIC.

There wont be imported parts... Safran Engines for Fighter jets and Helos will be fully made in India. There is a bigger facility coming up in Goa where they forsee a total of 10K + engines supply potential to Indian Military Programs.

Kabini core has certain challenges which does not enable it to go beyond 8X Kn consistently. The errors and stability is beyond rectification unless internally the systems are redesigned from ground zero up. Certain metallurgical changes needs time and industrial techniques. The M88 core and certain parts into Safranised Kaveri comes more of a plug and play for the last mile approach for Kaveri Program success. It needs to be seen if kabini is further developed or not. As of now emphasis is on Safranised Kaveri Engine family ..

Since Kaveri is variable cycle and its rating is better than European and American counterparts, French side plans to use these engines and tech for future Rafale fleet back home as well. Perhaps a global fleet MLU if India agrees. Implying a further pathway of development for Safranised Kaveri program and its heavier iterations. 

The Rolls Royce Offer of development was in counter to this as it was already known in defence circles that Safranised Kaveri success will aide India more by freeing up its dependency on other Engine makers..

A traduire mais je suis fatigué de ma journée, on verra demain

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Finalement Trump on va finir par chanter ses louange chez Dassault !!

@Picdelamirand-oil : tu as oublié ce petit bout là

Kaveri being variable cycle will aid in present combination with M-88 core in the following fields. There will be a direct impact in

 

SFC with a reduction in fuel consumption (planned for a phase wise quarter percentage down from present level subject to maintenance pack evolution similar to ECO pack)

Higher specific thrust at flat rated conditions with lower SFC.

Decrease in Noise levels

Improvement in Range of the Aircraft in different conditions like subsonic, trans and supersonic

More mission and loiter time

The increase in air flow and decease helps in thermal signature management

The research in VCE or variable cycle engine is endless.. If a hyper sonic plane needs to be developed, the only efficient design will incorporate a Variable Cycle Engine ... That is the potential of this technology..

Lot of work was done by GE in 80s and 90s .. there was a time when F-22 Engine could have been variable cycle till Pratt and Whitney got it bcz of limited research on this and design maturity issues..

Its one of the biggest gem India has in terms of a technology. We need to fully mature the stuff.. its functional usage is way too immense.
 

 

[Teenytoon]

Trop d’anglais tue l’anglais. Je vais attendre demain que les batteries de Pic soient rechargées 

Modifié le 18 octobre 2017 par Teenytoon

[Teenytoon]

  Le 18/10/2017 à 19:20, Picdelamirand-oil a dit :

mais je suis fatigué de ma journée, on verra demain

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Ca va mieux aujourd’hui ? 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

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Demain est Diwali et je souhaite vous apporter quelques nouvelles positives provenant des couloirs du pouvoir.

 

• Même si le DM NS a visité plusieurs endroits, il y a eu une discussion mouvementée sur l'approvisionnement en avions de chasse entre le PMO, les officiels du MOD, l'IAF et le DM au téléphone.
• La NSA Doval est également impliquée et a fourni des informations qui pourraient faire pencher la balance en faveur de l'achat d'avions à réaction.
• De nombreuses tentatives ont été faites par le PMO pour obtenir une approbation de l'IAF pour les F-16 et un changement total en faveur des USA avec le F-35 venant à la place du programme FGFA
• On achèterait le PAKFA Stage 2 dans la limite de 4 escadrons sur étagère pour calmer la Russie a la place du statut «gelé» du FGFA.
• MAIS voici l'arrivée du  GRAND TOURNANT - CHANCE & PERSISTENCE qui a gagné la journée de l'IAF
• Peu de nouvelles qui trouveront leur chemin vers les médias en temps voulu
  • POTUS Trump a fait de nombreux virages à 180° et le dernier semble avoir brisé la confiance de PM Naranda Modi sur l'amélioration des relations USA-Inde.
  • POTUS Trump veut l'Amérique d'abord et souhaite un maximum d'emplois en Amérique et un travail limité pour TASL en Inde pour le programme MII
  • En réalité, il souhaite rédiger les termes du MII d'une manière qui profite davantage à sa campagne l'Amérique d'abord.
  • Il veut que le programme F-16 soit transféré à l'Inde superficiellement et que les éléments soient produits en Amérique et génèrent des emplois américains.
  • POTUS a exprimé son mécontentement devant les officiels de l'ambassade pour n'avoir pas coopéré en Afghanistan, où POTUS voulait que l'Inde s'engage officiellement au moins au niveau de 5000 troupes.
  • En plus un autre grand virage de POTUS qui a expliqué que l'Inde peut être membre du Conseil de sécurité mais sans droit de Veto et c'est ce que la Chine et la Russie veulent également.
  • L'accord NSG est toujours à l'étude, mais l'Inde doit faire la démonstration du virage américain avant que les États-Unis ne fassent plus de «travail acharné» pour convaincre les autres membres de l'inclusion de l'Inde.
  • Pour faire avancer la cause, POTUS a autorisé la technologie EMALS en Inde pour son porte avion IAC-2, mais souhaite que F-18 SH soit sélectionné pour IAC-1 (57 MRCBF) avec des compensations minimales.
  • Il y a aussi des soucis pour des questions plus stratégiques, l'accent étant mis sur le fait de contenir verbalement le Pakistan mais de faire un travail limité dans la réalité.
  • Pour le Gripen aussi POTUS a clairement fait savoir qu'il découragerait activement tous les MIC américains pour tout accord, mais dans les médias, il fera un travail de relations publiques et dira le contraire.
  • Toute cette discussion au cours de la dernière quinzaine avec les responsables américains et le PMO a fortement entamé la confiance du PM NM.
• Ce mauvais coup est venu au pire moment alors que l'accord FGFA devient de plus en plus difficile et aussi que la Russie veut tirer plus des accords sans aucune compensation.
• La Russie a maintenant offert le Mig-35 pour l'IAF à nouveau dans la première semaine d'octobre avec une offre révisée pour la technologie du moteur comparable à l'affaire du MKI et a demandé à l'Inde d'examiner cette affaire si le FGFA vacille.
• Au lieu de tout cela le PM, NM a calmé le jeu et a dit d'aller lentement avec les accords pour LM et Boeing jusqu'à ce qu'il obtienne plus de clarté et évite les virages à 180° de POTUS.
• C'est un changement marqué par rapport à la précédente route G2G qu'il voulait prendre et conclure les choses au plus vite pour un blitz médiatique concret avant les sondages de 2019.

Maintenant, où sont les bonnes nouvelles? Voici les bonnes nouvelles ...

• Le Kaveri Safranisé français est sur la bonne voie et un rapport sur ses progrès a été soumis.
• L'équipe de Dassualt et le gouvernement français ont soumis une liste des systèmes possibles qu'ils souhaitent intégrer au LCA Mk1A et le rendre beaucoup plus capable grace à l'expérience des Rafale et des Mirage et de la rétroaction de l'IAF qui a fourni des commentaires détaillés sur les M2K
• Leur projet est de rendre LCA Mk1A beaucoup plus modulaire en interne et de faciliter l'intégration des systèmes pour un potentiel de croissance accru.
• L'offre de MII a été grandement améliorée grâce à ces intégrations et DRAL devient un acteur de l'écosystème LCA.
• Le programme Rafale est encore renforcé par un nouveau moteur hybride - la fusion du cycle variable Kaveri avec le noyau M-88 pour créer une famille de moteurs est désormais officielle et en noir sur blanc.
• Même taille, même noyau, même modularité et technologie similaire alimentant à la fois LCA Mk1A et Rafale India
• Ce moteur sera également fabriqué en Inde.
• Officiellement, l'extrémité  de l'aile du Rafale M est maintenant testé avec un mécanisme qui se démonte en 5 minutes et se monte en moins de 10 minutes et re fixant le même en 15 minutes maximum avec 5 minutes supplémentaires pour une vérification complète du système.
• Ce système est prévu pour le déploiement de l'IAC-1 et fait partie de l'offre sous «point de recherche supplémentaire» dans l'appel d'offres naval.
• Le plan MII est encore accéléré avec le côté français indiquant clairement UAE et une autre commande s'élevant à près de 78 Rafales au total sera fournie via DRAL lorsque l'usine de MII sera opérationnelle.
• Ces commandes d'exportation et leur MRO seront DRAL Inde seulement selon les officiels français.
• Les visites d'état françaises et l'équipe Dassault seront fortes dans les 4 prochains mois avec l'accent pour sceller l'accord dès que possible sur Rafale MII.
• Du côté civil, la production de Falcon Jet est également donnée pour donner plus de valeur à DRAL India.

Et enfin, au lieu de toutes ces discussions et de la réticence de PM NM à signer un accord F-16, il y a une autre bonne nouvelle.

NSA Doval a mis l'accent sur le traitement rapide du Rafale MII par rapport aux accords SE et sur toute autre commande.

Commentaire personnel

Donc Diwali a été favorable à l'IAF. Maintenant, j'espère que le reste se fera aussi bien en temps voulu.

Côté français ils ont une petite fenêtre d'opportunité et une grande possibilité de gagner de leurs côtés. Ils devraient contacter la NSA et l'IAF et conclure cette entente MII bientôt.

Une diffusion publique complète sur le LCA Mk1A avec les systèmes français proposés et la façon dont ils prévoient d'ajouter et de bénéficier de l'écosystème du LCA ira loin.

Heureusement, si je reçois plus d'informations à ce sujet, je le partagerai aussi ici .....

Pour l'instant, le rêve du PMO d'un changement en faveur des USA est en attente .. On ne peut pas blâmer PM NM .. POTUS Trump est incompatible avec ses vues .. Ce sera un grand défi pour l'Inde pour toute action concrète ...

Vive la France Inde ..

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[Bon Plan]

  Le 19/10/2017 à 13:07, Picdelamirand-oil a dit :

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Demain est Diwali et je souhaite vous apporter quelques nouvelles positives provenant des couloirs du pouvoir.

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Maintenant, où sont les bonnes nouvelles? Voici les bonnes nouvelles ...

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Purée.... t'es trop dur avec nous....  Ce suspens.....   c'est Pic-hitchcock là.

 

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[FATac]

Bah non ... ça arrive : Pic met son message à jour au fur et à mesure.

[Teenytoon]

Juste au cas où ça serve à d’autres qu’à moi (n’hesitez pas à me rectifier au cas où je me sois planté) :

Diwali = Grande fête traditionnelle indienne

NSA Doval = Conseiller à la sécurité du premier ministre indien

DM NS = Ministre de la défense indien 

PMO ou PM NM = Premier ministre indien

POTUS = Président Of The United States 

TASL = Tata Advanced Systems Limited

NSG = Nuclear Supplier Group

MIC américains = Military Industrial Complex

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[Bon Plan]

  Le 19/10/2017 à 13:59, Teenytoon a dit :

Juste au cas où ça serve à d’autres qu’à moi :

Diwali = Grande fête traditionnelle indienne

NSA Doval = Conseiller à la sécurité du premier ministre indien

DM NS = Ministre de la défense indien 

PMO ou PM NM = Premier ministre indien

POTUS = Président Of The United States 

TASL = Tata Advanced Systems Limited

NSG = Nuclear Supplier Group

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Absolument.  Et de un (a qui ca sert) !

  Le 19/10/2017 à 13:58, FATac a dit :

Bah non ... ça arrive : Pic met son message à jour au fur et à mesure.

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pour ceux qui sont pressés.... 

Now where is the good news ? here comes the good news...

French Safranised Kaveri is on track and a report has been submitted of the progress.

The Dassualt Team and French government has submitted a list of possible systems which they want to integrate into LCA Mk1A and make it far more portent deriving from Rafale and Mirage experiences and feedback from IAF who had given detailed feedback on M2Ks

Their plan is to make LCA Mk1A far more modular internally and ease of systems integration for a growth potential upside.

MII offer has been sweetened in a big way via these integrations and DRAL becoming a player in LCA Ecosystem.

Rafale Program is further boosted with a hybrid new Engine boost- amalgamation of Kaveri variable cycle with M-88 core to create a family of engines is now official and on black and white.

Same size, same core, same modularity and similar tech powering both LCA Mk1A and Rafale India

This engine will also be Made in India.

Officially the Rafale M wingtip is now getting tested with a mechanism to disintegrate in 5 minutes and fit into <10m span and re attaching the same in max 15 minutes with another 5 minutes for a full system check.

This system is planned for IAC-1 deployment and is part of the offering under "further research point" in naval tender.

The MII plan is further accelerated with French side clearly saying UAE and another order amounting to almost 78 Rafales in total will be supplied via DRAL when MII factory is up and running as well.

These Export Orders and their MRO will be DRAL India only as per French officials.

French state visits and Team Dassault will be strong in next 4 months with a emphasis to seal the deal asap on Rafale MII.

In civil side, Falcon Jet production is also given a go ahead to give more value for DRAL India.

And lastly, in lieu of all these discussions and PM NM reluctance to sign F-16 deal, there is one another good news.

NSA Doval has emphasized on fast tracking Rafale deal for MII over SE deals and any other order. 


Personal Comment
So Diwali has been good for IAF.. Now i hope the rest of the things gets done as well on time. 

French side has a small window of opportunity and a big winner by their side. They should contact NSA and IAF and close this MII deal out soon..

A full detailed public information dissemination of LCA Mk1A with proposed French systems and how they plan to add and benefit LCA Ecosystem will go a long way..

[Picdelamirand-oil]

  Le 19/10/2017 à 13:58, FATac a dit :

Bah non ... ça arrive : Pic met son message à jour au fur et à mesure.

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Surtout quand au milieu de la mise à jour ça disparaît.... au moins j'ai sauvegardé quelque chose.

  Le 19/10/2017 à 14:01, Bon Plan a dit :

Absolument.  Et de un (a qui ca sert) !

pour ceux qui sont pressés.... 

 

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Tu as pas vu que c'était le texte masqué !!!??

Conclusion personnelle:

Si ce qu'il dit est vrai, ça merde avec la Russie pour cause insuffisance technique, de délai, et de réticence à tout partager à vil prix, ça merde avec les US pour cause de TRUMP qui ne pense qu'à America first et qui estime que c'est facile de baiser les Indiens, et donc il ne reste que la France.

[gargouille]

Faut avoir un cœur solide avec l'Inde !

[Picdelamirand-oil]

  Le 19/10/2017 à 13:59, Teenytoon a dit :

Juste au cas où ça serve à d’autres qu’à moi (n’hesitez pas à me rectifier au cas où je me sois planté) :

MIC américains : Je n’ai pas trouvé de signification

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Military Industrial Complex

Doval a un champ d'action plus large que simplement le conseil pour la sécurité, c'est lui qui fixe les stratégies, toutes les stratégies...

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[gargouille]

Si l’Égypte pouvait lever son option ça serait un point de plus.