Marine Philippine

[collectionneur]

La marine Philippine à reçu un vieux cutter de classe Hamilton de l'USCG cette année. Mais par rapport à l'armada chinoise, c'est ''peanuts''...

[Mani]

La marine Philippine à reçu un vieux cutter de classe Hamilton de l'USCG cette année. Mais par rapport à l'armada chinoise, c'est ''peanuts''...

D'accord avec toi, je pense que Les Philippines se basent sur la protection US vis-à-vis de la Chine.

Dès lors, pas besoin d'acheter cher ou moderniser.

[Kiriyama]

C'est Pohang, comme la ville.  ;)

Les bateaux sud-coréens ont parfois des noms de villes : classe Ulsan, classe Pohang, etc.

[alexandreVBCI]

(...) le chantier naval vendéen Ocea a annoncé avoir vendu en Asie quatre patrouilleurs du type FPB 72 MKII (photo ci-dessus, Meretmarine.com), des bâtiments côtiers de 24 m dont trois exemplaires ont été livrés fin septembre au Nigeria.

Ces navires sont destinés à la marine des Philippines (pays où le Premier ministre français vient d'effectuer une visite). Le chef d'état-major des gardes côtes philippins, l'amiral  Luis Tuason, a confirmé la commande. Les quatre patrouilleurs vendéens doivent être livrés d'ici à la fin de l'année 2013.

L'amiral Tuason a aussi annoncé la commande, toujours en France, d'un navire de 82m de long mais il n'a pas fourni d'informations sur son constructeur. S'agit-il d'un OPV de type Adroit ? Ce navire sera livré en 2014.

http://lignesdedefense.blogs.ouest-france.fr/archive/2012/11/04/ocean-va-fournir-quatre-patrouilleurs-de-24m-a-la-marine-des.html

[collectionneur]

3 hélicoptère AugustaWestland A.109 ont étaient commandé par la marine des Philippines pour un montant  de 1.337.176.584 de peso philippin le 20 décembre 2012 (24,8 millions d'euro en janvier 2013).

On indique ''version navale'' mais je ne suis pas sur qu'il y a des navires pouvant emporter ces navires dans la flotte locale.

Article mit sur la page Facebook du ministère de la défense des Philippines :

http://www.facebook.com/notes/department-of-national-defense-philippines/contract-for-acquisition-of-naval-helicopters-signed/474853482553724

[Henri K.]

http://www.malaya.com.ph/index.php/news/nation/22202-chinese-occupation-of-bajo-de-masinloc-could-reduce-ph-territorial-waters-by-38-percent

Chinese ‘occupation’ of Bajo de Masinloc could reduce PH territorial waters by 38 percent

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    Published on Monday, 21 January 2013 00:00

    Written by ELLEN TORDESILLAS - VERA Files

The Philippines is at a loss over China’s declaration its ships will stay permanently in Bajo de Masinloc, a declaration some experts say could lead to the Philippines losing 38 percent of its territorial waters.

Bajo de Masinloc, a triangular-shaped coral reef formation that has several rocks encircling a lagoon, is located 124 nautical miles west of Masinloc town in Zambales in the northwestern part of the Philippines.

“The shoal is under virtual occupation by China,” said former foreign undersecretary and former Philippine Permanent Representative to the United Nations Lauro Baja.

Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario confirmed this, saying, “In a subministerial consultation, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying had said to our people that China’s presence was permanent and they had no intention of withdrawing their ships from the vicinity of Bajo de Masinloc.”

The National Mapping and Resource Information Authority (NAMRIA) says Bajo de Masinloc has an area of about 120 square kilometers. It is also referred to as Panatag (calm in Pilipino) by fishermen who seek refuge in the area during stormy weather.

Its international name is Scarborough shoal after the tea-carrying British boat Scarborough which sank in the vicinity in 1784. China also claims ownership of the shoal which is 467 nautical miles away from its mainland, and refers to it as Huangyan Island.

Republic Act 9522, which defines the country’s archipelagic baseline, includes Bajo de Masinloc as part of Philippine territory. The law classifies it as a regime of islands under Art. 121 of the Law of the Sea Convention (LOSC), which means it generates its own territorial sea, exclusive economic zone (EEZ) and continental shelf.

Under UNCLOS, “an island is a naturally formed area of land, surrounded by water, which is above water at high tide.”

An island generates its own maritime regimes, which are 12 nautical miles (nm) for territorial sea, 24 nm for contiguous zone, 200 nm for EEZ and 200 nm continental shelf.

Under this definition, the Chinese claim over Baja de Masinloc means the Philippines risks losing not only the 120-square-kilometer strategically vital reef formation but also some 494,000 square kilometers EEZ, representing 38 per cent of the country’s EEZ.

One of the Philippines’ options to protest the Chinese encroachment is going to the United Nations International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (ITLOS), the arbitration arm of UNCLOS, of which the Philippines and China are signatories.

Legal experts say the Philippines can ask the ITLOS, which does not deal with territorial disputes, to declare Bajo de Masinloc as a rock rather than an island.

UNCLOS said, “Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.”

Retired Philippine Navy Commodore Rex Robles, who has been to the area a few times for gunnery practice, declares that “Panatag shoal is a rock.”

“It cannot support human life. It is not an island,” he concludes.

Lawyer Romel Bagares, executive director of Center for International Law (Philippines), said RA 9522 “does not actually specify whether Bajo de Masinloc consists just of uninhabitable rocks or is capable of economic life pursuant to Art 121 of the UNCLOS. This could be one way of arguing ITLOS has jurisdiction, especially as to the interpretation of provisions. It’s a pragmatic approach, no doubt.”

What is obvious, Bagares said, is that RA 9522 assumes that the shoal is part of Philippine territory in the fullest sense of the term.

Del Rosario said, “To the extent that their three ships are within our exclusive economic zone, this is in gross violation of the DOC and UNCLOS.”

DOC is the Declaration of Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea signed in 2002 by members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, four of them part claimants to islands in the South China Sea, and China. UNCLOS is the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Baja said, “When our ships withdrew from Bajo de Masinloc in June and now (we) could not access the area, the shoal became under virtual occupation by China. “

Baja, who drafted the DOC with Malaysia’s Abdul Kadir, also said Chinese occupation of the disputed shoal has changed the status quo, contrary to the DOC.

Baja said China is exercising what the International Court of Justice (ICJ) calls “effectivités.”

“This is the basis of the Court’s decision on the Ligatan Sipadan case where the court awarded the area to Malaysia over Indonesia. Also the same principle in the case between Chile and Peru and between Nicaragua and Guatemala,” he said.

Baja said, “We must act and interact before we lose the territory by default and/or estoppel.”

Seven months after China’s occupation of Bajo de Masinloc, the Philippines is still “reviewing” its options.

Asked about the Philippines’ response to China’s declaration it has no intentions of pulling out their ships from Panatag shoal, Del Rosario said, “We are reviewing all our options in accordance with our three track approach encompassing the political, legal and diplomatic means.”

President  Aquino  has refused to discuss publicly the Philippine efforts on Bajo de Masinloc because he said doing so would be “giving the other side a preview of everything that we will do.”

He said, though, in October at a forum at the Foreign Correspondents Association of the Philippines that the matter “is still being studied by our consultants.”

Experts point to two options available to the Philippines: the military option—which is not really an option considering the inferior state of the Philippine Navy compared with China’s naval might—and the legal option.

[Henri K.]

La marine Philippine veut équiper de missiles mer-mer sur ses frégates...

Henri K.

[Henri K.]

Jane's...

China rejects Philippines' UN arbitration move

James Hardy

  London

On 19 February, China formally rejected the Philippines' move to seek UN arbitration in their South China Sea territorial dispute.

A spokesman for China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) said Chinese ambassador to Manila, Ma Keqing, had rejected the Philippines' plan to take China's nine-dash-line claim to a tribunal established under the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). China's rejection came a month after Philippine officials had formally told Ma of the plan.

MFA spokesman Hong Lei said the Philippines was disregarding previous regional agreements on the South China Sea dispute. Its actions "not only violate the consensus enshrined in the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea but are also factually flawed and contain false accusations," Hong said in comments reported by Xinhua news agency.

The Philippines argues that China's occupation of and construction activities in various reefs, including Mischief and McKennan reefs, violate its sovereignty. In particular it is seen as responding to an escalation in the dispute in April 2012, when ships from the China Maritime Surveillance force prevented Philippine Navy vessels from intercepting Chinese fishing vessels at Scarborough Shoal, a reef situated about 220 km west of Luzon Island.

In its 19 February rebuttal, China urged the Philippines not to complicate the South China Sea territorial dispute and to agree to bilateral negotiations. "China hopes the Philippines will honour its commitment by not taking any action that could complicate the issue, positively respond to China's proposal to establish a bilateral dialogue mechanism on maritime issues, and work to solve the issue through bilateral negotiations," Hong said.

The Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) said in a statement that China's rejection would not "interfere with the process of arbitration" and reiterated its view that Beijing's nine-dash line was the root of the problem. "This excessive claim is the core issue of the Philippines' arbitration case against China," the DFA said. "The Philippines remains committed to arbitration, which is a friendly, peaceful, and durable form of dispute settlement that should be welcomed by all."

Copyright © IHS Global Limited, 2013

Philippines abandons plans to buy Maestrale frigates from Italy

Michael Cohen

  Manila

The Philippine defence official in charge of the government's modernisation procurement programme has announced Manila is abandoning its planned purchase of two Italian frigates after an extensive review of the ships' cost of operation and capabilities.

The decision was revealed by Undersecretary of Defence Fernando Manalo in a statement released by the state-owned Philippines News Agency (PNA). "Evaluation studies found out that acquiring these vessels will be more costly in the long run," Manalo said. "It will be more expensive to maintain second-hand vessels than buying a new one."

Manalo added that "the Italian-made Maestrale frigates are no longer in the running for possible acquisition by the Philippines. The ships are no longer being evaluated".

The announcement came as a surprise to naval officers who had reviewed the Italian vessels, which had been described in earlier statements by naval and defence department officials - as well as President Benigno Aquino - as "the next ships to be acquired for the Philippine Navy".

Manalo had previously said the Maestrale frigates were the Philippines' preferred option due to speed of delivery and "credible missile and anti-submarine capabilities". On 22 February he said the country was "now looking for new-build naval ships with the same configuration as the Italian vessels". Five other countries - Australia, Croatia, Israel, South Korea and the United States - have expressed interest in offering the Philippines new-build frigates and offshore patrol vessels.

Manalo's statement comes as Manila signed a procurement order for 12 TA-50 lead-in fighter trainers from Korean Aircraft Industries (KAI). A senior defence official told IHS Jane's that changes to this transaction may have influenced the Philippines' decision; what was to be a government-to-government purchase was converted to a soft loan procurement.

The official said this had given Manila's modernisation programme a boost in purchasing options that could lead to the Philippines turning to South Korea for more of its materiel requirements.

Copyright © IHS Global Limited, 2013

Henri K.

[collectionneur]

Si la Chine refuse un règlement devant les tribunaux, la décision d'abandonné l'achat de ses navires italiens risque d'être d'abandonné à son tour.

A moins que les USA ne cèdent quelques O.H Perry aux Philippins ?

[Henri K.]

Le corps des marines américain et les Philippines mènent depuis le 5 Avril un exercice militaire conjoint...

Henri K.

[collectionneur]

Je remais ici un message posté sur le fil concernant les  Conflits territoriaux dans la Mer de Chine méridionale

http://www.air-defense.net/forum/index.php/topic,21174.0.html

Vu la faiblesse de la marine philippine qui n'a même pas un seul navire de guerre lance missiles. Cela m'étonnerait fort qu'elle se risque à une confrontation avec la Chine :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_Philippine_Navy

Son plus navire est un garde-cote US de 1965 qui doit être rejoint par un sister-ship cette année et son unique frégate date de...1943, dernière unité en activité de ce type  :O :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRP_Rajah_Humabon_%28PF-11%29

[alexandreVBCI]

Afin de renforcer leurs capacités de sauvetage à longue distance, les gardes-côtes des Philippines cherchent à acheter un patrouilleur de la marine nationale, âgé de 26 ans, pour 6 millions €.

Selon le commandant des gardes-côtes, le contre-amiral Rodolfo Isorena, cet achat serait très utile pour le fonctionnement de l’agence, l’application de la loi maritime, la sécurité et la protection de l’environnement.

Il souligne que le patrouilleur “La Tapageuse” est multi-fonctions et qu’il serait une contribution importante à la flotte des gardes-côtes.

Il a aussi indiqué que les Philippines poursuivaient des discutions avec la France pour d’autres achats : 4 navires de 24 m et un de 82 m, tous neufs. Ils devraient arriver aux Philippines en 2015. 

Suite : http://www.corlobe.tk/article33413.html#sthash.YIZr0fiC.dpuf

[Henri K.]

 

Afin de renforcer leurs capacités de sauvetage à longue distance, les gardes-côtes des Philippines cherchent à acheter un patrouilleur de la marine nationale, âgé de 26 ans, pour 6 millions €.

Selon le commandant des gardes-côtes, le contre-amiral Rodolfo Isorena, cet achat serait très utile pour le fonctionnement de l’agence, l’application de la loi maritime, la sécurité et la protection de l’environnement.

Il souligne que le patrouilleur “La Tapageuse” est multi-fonctions et qu’il serait une contribution importante à la flotte des gardes-côtes.

Il a aussi indiqué que les Philippines poursuivaient des discutions avec la France pour d’autres achats : 4 navires de 24 m et un de 82 m, tous neufs. Ils devraient arriver aux Philippines en 2015. 

Suite : http://www.corlobe.tk/article33413.html#sthash.YIZr0fiC.dpuf

 

 

Donc il serait possible d'envisager un prochain 1 vs 1 entre un Type 56 et La Tapageuse?  =)

 

Henri K.

[Ciders]

Un face-à-face qui serait assez rapide, je le crains. Et pas à l'avantage des Philippins.

[Henri K.]

La marine des Philippines reçoit le 2ème patrouilleur US, retiré du service récemment. Pour cela les Philippines ont déboursé 15M$ plus les frais de transformation.

 

http://youtu.be/iWsUs-uaagw

 

Henri K.

[actyon]

La marine philippine reçoit un don de 6 bateaux de patrouille fluviale des USA

The Philippine Marine Corps (PMC) received six U.S. Small Unit Riverine Crafts (SURC) to aid the 1,200-member PMC force in counter terrorism operations, according to a Wednesday announcement from the service.

“These water assets will be essential in maintaining maritime security and ascertain peace and order in our communities especially in littoral and riverine environment”, Philippine Navy head Vice Adm. Jose Luis M Alano said in the statement.

“The SURCs will be deployed to augment our sea-based forces to address terrorism and lawlessness such as the current crisis in Mindanao”

For the last three weeks, Philippine forces have fought Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF) Muslim guerrillas near the port city of Zamboanga on the southern Philippine island of Mindanao, according to local press reports.

The donated SURCs will be use exclusively by the PMC to “ also to provide platform for command and control, reconnaissance, logistic/resupply, medical evacuation, counter-drug operations, humanitarian assistance, peacekeeping and non-combatant evacuation operations,” according to the statement.

http://bit.ly/1bJmYmL

 

[Benoitleg]

Un don du Japon aux gardes-cote philippins :

Philippine Coast Guard MRRV commissioned, 13th March 2017

The Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) has received its third multi-role response vessel (MRRV) from Japan, the agency announced on 7 March. The vessel was commissioned into the service during a ceremony held at the PCG's headquarters in Manila.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps-news/brp-malapascua-mrrv-4403-commissioned/

Site des gardes-cote philippins

http://www.coastguard.gov.ph/

[DZIRI]

Les philippines a commandé aussi  2 frégates de chez Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) depuis quelques mois maintenant

http://maxdefense.blogspot.com/2016/10/finally-contract-signing-for-2-new.html

 http://quwa.org/2016/10/24/hyundai-offers-glimpse-upcoming-philippine-navy-frigates/

Modifié le 15 mars 2017 par DZIRI

[Benoitleg]

il y a 14 minutes, DZIRI a dit :

Les philippines a commandé aussi  2 frégates de chez Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) depuis quelques mois maintenant

http://maxdefense.blogspot.com/2016/10/finally-contract-signing-for-2-new.html

 http://quwa.org/2016/10/24/hyundai-offers-glimpse-upcoming-philippine-navy-frigates/

Elles sont pas mal dans leur genre, mais le deuxième article fait des comparaisons boiteuses en terme de prix avec les Gowind égyptiennes, sous prétexte de tonnage équivalent. Ces dernières sont un cran au dessus pour l'équipement et l'accord contenait un transfert de technologie rn général pas gratuit, donc => prix supérieur..

[DZIRI]

il y a 1 minute, Benoitleg a dit :

Elles sont pas mal dans leur genre, mais le deuxième article fait des comparaisons boiteuses en terme de prix avec les Gowind égyptiennes, sous prétexte de tonnage équivalent. Ces dernières sont un cran au dessus pour l'équipement et l'accord contenait un transfert de technologie rn général pas gratuit, donc => prix supérieur..

oui l'armement mer air des Gowind est bien meilleur (vl mica) et elles sont surtout dotées de sonar VDS dernier cri là ou les nouvelles frégates philippines en sont totalement dépourvus ..

mais bon il faut dire aussi que ces coréens  font de bons navires à des prix très compétitifs pouvant faire très mal à l"ensemble des constructeurs européens et non pas seulement à DCNS  , c'est pas par hasard que les Anglais et les norvégiens achètent aussi du made in korea  en matière de navire logistique 

[clem200]

Il y a 8 heures, DZIRI a dit :

mais bon il faut dire aussi que ces coréens  font de bons navires à des prix très compétitifs pouvant faire très mal à l"ensemble des constructeurs européens et non pas seulement à DCNS  , c'est pas par hasard que les Anglais et les norvégiens achètent aussi du made in korea  en matière de navire logistique 

Ils font de bonnes coques pas chères mais dès qu'il y'a de l'armement  et un système d'arme complexe ils reviennent au même prix que les autres. 

[collectionneur]

Des navires philippins avec des missiles ? Cela sera une première pour ce pays.

[Benoitleg]

Il y a 21 heures, collectionneur a dit :

Des navires philippins avec des missiles ? Cela sera une première pour ce pays.

Le contexte local pousse à la compétition . Le PIB et le revenu par habitant ont fait des bonds depuis 2000, ce qui permet à l'état d'acheter des unités plus efficaces que le vieux clous américains. Et ils ont le bon gout d'acheter des bricoles françaises, sonar, missiles, etc...

PIB, RNB => http://donnees.banquemondiale.org/pays/philippines

Modifié le 20 mars 2017 par Benoitleg

[collectionneur]

Je ne connaissais pas ce missile anti navire coréen, il semble avoir les mêmes performances que les dernières versions de l'Exocet:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSM-700K_Haeseong

Il manque des SAM moyenne portée pour en faire un navire capable de survivre quelques heures face a ses rivaux. Et elles n'ont pas de sonar...

Modifié le 20 mars 2017 par collectionneur

[Benoitleg]

La marine militaire philippine reçoit  un nouveau transport de chalands de débarquement, d'une série de deux, dérivée de la classe Makassar coréenne. Au passage, cette classe de navire connaît un bon succès : 4 en Indonésie (Daewoo), 2 au Pérou (chantier péruvien) et 2 aux Philippines (chantier PT PAL indonésien) :

Un nouveau TCD pour la marine philippine, Mer&Marine, 23/6/2017

https://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/un-nouveau-tcd-pour-la-marine-philippine

 

Modifié le 24 mai 2017 par Benoitleg