FRES

[Tactac]

Je ne voit pas ca, la France est moins libre que le Royaume-Uni en acheter des armes etranger et je pense on ne doit pas aider la France en ce regarde, c'est a dire je ne veut pas acheter francais quand vous n'achetez pas britannique, je ne veut pas un marche libre britannique pour des produits francais quand le marche francais n'est pas libre pour des produits britanniques.

A partir du moment où l'industrie française ne développe plus d'arme d'infanterie par exemple, et bien, hors Famas, on trouve des MINIMI, des MAG, des M2 dans l'armée française et des HK pour la gendarmerie.

Le jour où les produits anglais répondront à nos attentes, je ne vois pas pourquoi on en achèterait pas (là, on tombe sur un autre sujet : celui des différences d'homologation DEF-STAN/GAM/MIL-STD qui pose aussi problème ...).

Je rajouterait que, le jour où les entreprises seront européennes ce type de remarque ne vaudra même plus.

Sachant que les entreprises de type Nexter cherchent ces derniers temps à paraître assez rentables pour être racheter par un gros groupe anglais ou allemand et former un ensemble européen.

[Invité Rob]

U.K. Adds 5th FRES Element

By ANDREW CHUTER, LONDON

The U.K. Defence Ministry is looking to add a basic capability utility vehicle to the four vehicle types planned for its Future Rapid Effects System (FRES) program.

Several hundred such vehicles, which would be used for less demanding tasks, eventually could be acquired, a Ministry of Defence (MoD) spokeswoman said.

Unlike other FRES elements, the basic capability utility vehicle will be developed from existing platforms, according to Lt. Gen. Dick Applegate, the chief of materiel (land) at the MoD’s Defence Equipment & Support organization.

Applegate, speaking to reporters at the British Army’s Bovington armored vehicle test site July 31, said the new family would be a “further purchase of something we have already, not a stripped-down FRES utility vehicle.”

Industry executives, most of whom admit they are baffled by exactly what the requirement is at this stage, reckon a purchase of existing British equipment, or a development of them, would include several possible contenders.

The Pinzgauer Vector armored utility vehicle, the Panther command and liaison vehicle, the Duro armored truck, the tracked Bulldog version of the FV432 and mine-protected platforms are in service or about to enter service with the British armed forces.

Some executives said the basic capability utility vehicle may partly fill the role once undertaken by the Saxon vehicle before it was dropped from front-line operations due to age and lack of protection.

The FRES requirement covered four families of vehicles starting with a utility platform for delivery by 2012, followed by reconnaissance, direct and indirect fire, and finally maneuver support. Now the basic utility platform has been quietly added to the program.

Requirements in the Works

The MoD spokeswoman said work was at an early stage on developing requirements for a basic capability vehicle that would have a lower specification than the utility platform, which is set to form the bulk of the FRES requirement.

Procurement numbers could be in the “low hundreds,” she said.

“The fifth family within the FRES fleet is for a basic capability utility. Operational analysis, combined with work to assess the total fleet requirement, identified the need for such vehicles, which may have different requirements in terms of protection, capacity and mobility,” the spokeswoman said.

“Work is under way — but is at an immature stage — to examine the detailed requirements. One of the guiding principles is that the provision of basic capability variants will be met by either in-service, or about to enter service, vehicles.”

At about 16 billion pounds ($32.3 billion) and more than 3,000 vehicles, FRES is Europe’s largest land program. A competition for the full-capability utility vehicle is currently the subject of a three-way fight among the ARTEC Boxer, the General Dynamics Piranha and the Nexter VBCI.

That vehicle will serve roles such as protected mobility, light armored support and command-and-control. Some 2,200 utility vehicles were expected to be purchased to meet Army requirements. It is unclear whether the intention to acquire a basic capability vehicle will change that figure. •

Link.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=2955322&C=navwar

[Hornblower]

Salut ,

L'évaluation  de modernes blindés 8x8 (spécialement de la famille Mowag Piranha) pour le Programme FRES Britannique est d'un grand intérêt pour l'Espagne, puisqu'on a commencé la phase d'étude du nouveau VBMR (Véhicule Blindé Moyen à des Roues) pour remplacer au BMR/VEC 6x6 en 2012.

[Philippe Top-Force]

Salut ,

L'évaluation  de modernes blindés 8x8 (spécialement de la famille Mowag Piranha) pour le Programme FRES Britannique est d'un grand intérêt pour l'Espagne, puisqu'on a commencé la phase d'étude du nouveau VBMR (Véhicule Blindé Moyen à des Roues) pour remplacer au BMR/VEC 6x6 en 2012.

Il n'y a plus qu'à rejoindre les français Nexter et Allemands KMW dans le projet de coopération du futur VBM.

Madrid partage en commun ,le Tigre/NH90/A400M/A-UAV/Milan..

[leclercs]

C'est quand même rageant de voire tous ces programmes d'armement qui pourraient être construit en commun, toutes les tentatives  qui ont échouées (certes certaines ont abouties, donc  c'est faisable...)

c'est décidé je poste un nouveau topic: causes des échecs et des uccès dans la recherche/développement/production et mise en service des armements en europe!:

[Tiger]

met en tête de liste, la fierté de chaque pays à fabriquer son propre armement, et le besoin d'indépendance, et le royaume uni qui a déjà rompu pas mal de coopérations (même l'eurofighter ! si si, en vendent seule à l'arabie saoudite, sans en référer aux 3 autres membres du programme)

[Invité Rob]

(même l'eurofighter ! si si, en vendent seule à l'arabie saoudite, sans en référer aux 3 autres membres du programme)

Ca n'est pas vrai, oui, nous vendons des Eurofighters a l'Arabie-Saoudite, mais BAE Systems et le Royaume-Uni ont la responsabilite en le programme Eurofighter pour des vends en le "Middle East" (et des autres parts du monde), comme l'Allemagne a la responsabilitie pour l'Autriche par exemple. Les Eurofighters pour les Saudis ne sont pas des Eurofighters britanniques mais des Eurofighters en plus. Les Eurofighters saoudiens sont produient en les 4 pays d'Eurofighter. L'assemblage est en le Royaume-Uni et l'Arabie-Saoudite, on ne peut pas parler de "sans referer" aux les autres partnaires, un vend a l'Arabie-Saoudite etait note responsabilite et nous avons gagne l'ordre pour Eurofighter.

[Tactac]

Voilà de quoi ouvrir un débat dans la partie aéro...  ^-^

[Tiger]

effectivement, désolé d'avoir lancé le HS, ce n'étizt qu'un exemple, je ne pensais pas que nos amis anglais rebondiraient dessus...

pour en revenir au FRES, il serait plutot surprenant et marrant qu'après c'être retiré du boxer les anglais le choissisent... mais dans ce cas, ils paieront le prix "export" et non plus "partenaire", et ça risque de faire chère pour leur porte-monnaies. En somme, ils auraient peut être du persister un peu dans le programme que de se retirer précipitemment, sans la moindre idée de quel engin pourra convenrir au FRES

Justement, quelqu'un aurait le prix de chaqu'un des concurent ? ou au moins de l'un d'entre eux ?

[Invité Rob]

effectivement, désolé d'avoir lancé le HS, ce n'étizt qu'un exemple, je ne pensais pas que nos amis anglais rebondiraient dessus...

J'ai dit une choose parce que ton exemple est faux, l'organisation d'Eurofighter donne le Royaume-Uni les vends en l'Arabie-Saoudite.

[Invité grinch]

Nexter est prêt à faire un transfert de technologies vers BAE Systems land division sur le projet FRES ,Grinch a même laché une information d'une possible acquisition de notre industriel de défense terrestre par le géant UK. Paris veut consolider un géant de la défense terrestre.

oups boulette. C'est surtout que la France veut consolider un géant de la defense et les choix se sont porté sur BAe Systems (avec BAe Hagglund et BAe Alvis, sont des fabricants de blindé reconnus)

effectivement, désolé d'avoir lancé le HS, ce n'étizt qu'un exemple, je ne pensais pas que nos amis anglais rebondiraient dessus...

pour en revenir au FRES, il serait plutot surprenant et marrant qu'après c'être retiré du boxer les anglais le choissisent... mais dans ce cas, ils paieront le prix "export" et non plus "partenaire", et ça risque de faire chère pour leur porte-monnaies. En somme, ils auraient peut être du persister un peu dans le programme que de se retirer précipitemment, sans la moindre idée de quel engin pourra convenrir au FRES

Justement, quelqu'un aurait le prix de chaqu'un des concurent ? ou au moins de l'un d'entre eux ?

dans tout marché en compétion du style appel d'offre et surtout dans le monde de la defense, il n'y a pas de prix sur catalogue. il faut rajouter les offsets et des reductions volontaires de leur tarif par rapport à la quantité.

Le prix est un fort element du choix, on espère que la technique, les performances et la capacité d'évolution entrerons en ligne de compte

[Invité Rob]

Concerne un geant europeen du terreste, BAE Systems est deja ca. Apres acheter RO Defence, Alvis, Bofors, Hägglunds etc............. je doute qu'ils veulent acheter Nexter.  Et un achat du Nexter par BAE Systems est la seule choose realiste en ce regarde. Mais peut-etre KMW ou Rheinmetall va acheter Nexter.

*QinetiQ teams with MacNeillie for UK MPPV bid

QinetiQ has kick-started a business strategy shift into vehicle integration by joining the race for the British Army's Medium Protected Patrol Vehicle (MPPV) contract, against...

31-Aug-2007

Link.

http://idr.janes.com/public/idr/index.shtml

domnick hunter develops regenerative NBC system for light vehicles

High-profile medium and light vehicle programmes, including the UK's Future Rapid Effects System (FRES) and the US Future Combat Systems (FCS) and Mine Resistant Ambush...

31-Aug-2007

Link.

http://idr.janes.com/public/idr/index.shtml

[Invité Rob]

Peut-etre important pour FRES.

Starstreak II sighted

Christopher F Foss

Monday, 10 September, 2007

Starstreak II sighted

Thales Air Defence of Belfast has developed a new version of its well-established Starstreak surface-to-air missile, called Starstreak II. This has a number of enhanced features, including range extended out to 7km, increased altitude and an improved guidance system to enable much smaller targets to be engaged.

Starstreak II is being marketed as a multi-role missile that is not only capable of engaging aerial threats such as low-level unmanned air vehicles, but also attack helicopters and even light armoured vehicles. According to Thales Air Defence, Starstreak II, which is in its final stages of development, can be launched from a variety of air, land and sea platforms. This includes automatic fire control systems such as the Thales Air Defence Multi-Mission System (MMS) or the Lightweight Multiple Launcher currently deployed by South Africa and the UK, which has three Starstreaks in the ready-to-launch position.

The UK calls Starstreak the High Velocity Missile. Like the earlier missile, Starstreak II uses a laser beam guidance system and is claimed to be immune to all known countermeasures. MMS is being shown on a Spanish light cross-country vehicle. Thales Air Defence has completed final design configuration of the MMS, which has just undergone a series of proof-of-principle demonstrations, culminating in the launch of missiles against air and land targets at a range in South Wales — all targets were engaged.

MMS has four Starstreak missiles in the ready-tolaunch position, two either side, with the sensor pod mounted between them, which includes the missile sighting and guidance system and the automatic target tracker. Design of MMS is such that other types of missile can be integrated, including the Spike, Hellfire, Javelin and Ingwe anti-tank guided weapons (ATGWs).It would also be possible to have a mix of missiles, with Starstreak on one side and ATGWs on the other.

Link.

http://free4.janes.com/events/exhibitions/dsei2007/sections/daily/starstreak-ii-sighted.shtml

Being shown at DSEi is a new Land Rover 6x6 vehicle that aims to provide the user with a significant increase in payload and volume over current Land Rover Defenders, while retaining the exceptional cross-country performance relied on by armed forces all over the world.

The 6x6 has been under development by Land Rover since early this year. The first example is being regarded as a prototype to prompt customer feedback to the company before the design is finalised. In its basic form, the 6x6 is conceived as a chassis-cab that allows for the installation of modular rear bodies to meet mission/customer requirements. It features a unique chassis and has a gross vehicle weight of up to seven tonnes, with three to four tonnes of payload. When compared with the Land Rover 110 Defender, the new 6x6 is wider by 190mm and longer by 1.4m. In addition, it has a lower loading height, a lower visual profile and is more stable when compared with ‘truck’-type architectures. The vehicle has permanent all-wheel drive and is powered by a 2.4-litre common rail diesel engine coupled to a six-speed manual gearbox and two-speed transfer box.

The example being shown at DSEi has a flatbed rear cargo area with drop sides and tailgate and is fitted with a weapons mount installation kit suitable for a variety of light weapons.

Production vehicles will be designed to accept a rear module that could rapidly be changed to meet different user requirements such as ambulance, cargo, command, weapon and workshop.

Link.

http://free4.janes.com/events/exhibitions/dsei2007/sections/daily/day1/high-performance-6x6-land.shtml

WLIP contender on show

Christopher F Foss

Monday, 10 September, 2007

WLIP contender on show

Being shown for the first time in public at DSEi is the Lockheed Martin UK INSYS solution to meet the British Army’s Warrior Infantry Combat Vehicle (ICV) Lethality Improvement programme (WLIP) requirement.

The British Army currently operates a large fleet of Warrior ICVs fitted with a two-person turret armed with an unstabilised and slowfiring 30mm RARDEN cannon. It is expected that up to 449 Warrior ICVs will be upgraded under WLIP, with this being rolled into the Warrior Capability Sustainment Programme. This upgrade will enable the Warrior ICV to remain an effective weapon system through to its planned out-of-service date of about 2035. With a potential value of at least GBP500 million, competition for the WLIP is intense and in addition to the Lockheed Martin UK INSYS offering, there are three other remaining contenders for the WLIP. These are CTA International, General Dynamics and Selex Sensors and Airborne Systems.

The Lockheed Martin INSYS UK WLIP solution is based on a German Rheinmetall two-person power-operated turret armed with the US ATK Gun Systems Company 30mm MK44 cannon and 7.62mm co-axial machine gun. This weapon is being adopted by an increasing number of international customers as well as by the US Army and Marine Corps. The 30mm MK44 already fires a complete family of ammunition and there is a growth path to the enhanced 40mm Super Shot. This family of ammunition will have a significant increase in performance to meet future battlefield threats.

Prior to DSEi, the complete turret was successfully demonstrated at the Lockheed Martin UK INSYS test facility. It is fitted with stabilised day/night sights, allowing moving targets to be engaged under almost all weather conditions while the Warrior is moving. Appliqué armour has been fitted for a higher level of protection.The Lockheed Martin INSYS UK turret is also claimed to offer a simple fast-track path to future upgrades, including commander’s independent sight with a 360° capability that will allow for hunter/killer target engagements to take place. It could also be fitted with the Raytheon/Lockheed Martin Javelin antitank guided weapon, which is already used by the British Army in the dismounted role. The turret selected for WLIP is also expected to be installed on the reconnaissance/scout member of the Future Rapid Effect System, which will replace the Sabre reconnaissance vehicle — also armed with a 30mm RARDEN cannon

Link.

http://free4.janes.com/events/exhibitions/dsei2007/sections/daily/day1/wlip-contender-on-show.shtml

General Dynamics UK hands over 10,000th Bowman

Monday, 10 September, 2007

General Dynamics UK hands over 10,000th Bowman

Soldiers and engineers celebrated a major milestone on 4 September, when the 10,000th vehicle converted with the advanced Bowman tactical communications and data system was handed to the British Armed Forces by prime contractor General Dynamics UK at the Ashchurch conversion facility. The conversion programme involves more than 700 different designs in 100 types of vehicle, from Challenger tanks to Land Rovers. General Dynamics UK won the contract to provide Bowman in 2001, and is delivering up to 100 vehicles a week.

Pictured at the front during the handover are (from right): Dean Thornewell, GDUK; Vic Jenkins, DG ISTAR, MoD; Steve Neilan, GDUK; and Cmdr J Hart, BATCIS IPT leader.

Link.

http://free4.janes.com/events/exhibitions/dsei2007/sections/daily/day1/general-dynamics-uk-hands.shtml

[Philippe Top-Force]

Rob a oublié de nous parler de cet article.

http://free4.janes.com/events/exhibitions/dsei2007/sections/daily/day1/trials-of-truth.shtml

By the year end, many of the key decisions for the British Army’s high-priority Future Rapid Effect System (FRES) will have been made if the selection process runs to plan.

With a potential value of GBP14 billion, FRES is the largest armoured fighting vehicle programme in Europe, with up to 3,000 vehicles expected to be procured. The stakes are high for all the companies and consortia taking part. The three remaining contenders to meet the FRES Utility Vehicle (UV) requirement for about 2,000 8x8 vehicles are currently being put through their paces at the Armoured Trials and Development Unit (ATDU) at Bovington Camp in southern England. These vehicles are the German/Netherlands ARTEC Boxer, the French Nexter Systems VBCI (Véhicule Blindé de Combat d’Infanterie) and the General Dynamics/MOWAG Piranha Evolution. BAE Systems Land Systems, the only remaining major UK-based vehicle manufacturer/integrator, has been eliminated from these trials.

In addition, there are separate competitions for the vehicle integrator, for which the Pre-Qualification Questionnaire (PQQ) has still to be issued. PQQ for the overarching System of Systems Integrator (SOSI) has been issued and returned to the MoD.

Known bidders for SOSI are Lockheed Martin teamed with Ultra Electronics, Thales teamed with Boeing, and the recently announced team Fusion. This is led by Finmeccanica and also

includes MBDA, General Dynamics UK and BAE Systems.

The UV will be first member of FRES to enter service — possibly in 2012. It is expected that first vehicles will be produced offshore until quantity production gets underway by a UK contractor or consortium. FRES UV will be followed by a number of other vehicles, the first being Scout, which will replace the current Scimitar. This will be followed by direct fire variants, manoeuvre support vehicles (engineer and bridgelayer) and a basic utility variant.

FRES will be part of a network-enabled system that will also include a wide range of other assets including air, surveillance and command and control.

[Invité Rob]

Comme j'ai dit, GD UK a dit que le Piranha V va produire en le Royaume-Uni, que le "Intellectual Property" va etre en le Royaume-Uni et que le production britannique va etre la seule source pour l'export du Piranha V quand il gagne FRES.

According to the company, there is a potential export market for up to 2,000 Piranha Vs (8x8) over a 10-year period. These would all be supplied from the UK production line, because the UK would have a complete technology transfer package, as well as the full intellectual property rights as stipulated by the UK Ministry of Defence.

Link.

http://www.janes.com/events/exhibitions/dsei2007/sections/daily/day4/gd-may-export-piranha-v-f.shtml

[Will]

Hi Rob  =)

Est ce que tu sais ce qui arrive avec le cannon CTA 40mm pour Warrior et FRES, je pensais que c'etait lui que le MoD avait choisit mais dans un de tes posts ils parlent d'un 30mm de Lockheed Martin?  :rolleyes:

I thought it was a done deal?

[Invité Rob]

Non, le CTA 40mm est seulement une solution possible pour le WLIP, il y a une competition, also welcome on board.  =)

[Will]

Cheers  ;)

Hmmm, j'avais entendu que 70 warriors avaient deja eu les 40mm mis?  :rolleyes: J'espere en tout cas que c'est lui qui va gagner (it looks meaner  >:()

En tout cas ca a l'air tres interessant ce qui va se passer pour FRES  =) Si je devais dire je pense que c'est le Piranha qui va gagner. C'est le design avec le moins de "risk" et dans lequel il y aura beaucoup de travail pour les entrerpises du UK. Je pense qu avec VBCI et Boxer il y aura plus de problemes a negocier la construction au Royaume-Uni :rolleyes:

[Invité Rob]

Hmmm, j'avais entendu que 70 warriors avaient deja eu les 40mm mis?  rolleyes J'espere en tout cas que c'est lui qui va gagner (it looks meaner  Angry)

Je n'ai pas ecoute de ces 70 Warriors.  :| Mais en tout cas, le WLIP va etre pour environ 444 Warriors. Mais oui, je suis aussi pour le CTA 40mm, un MoU que le Royaume-Uni et la France achete le CTA 40mm est peut-etre bien a mon avis.

Si je devais dire je pense que c'est le Piranha qui va gagner.

Je pense ca aussi, l'offre du GD UK est tres bien, j'espere que la production va etre avec BAE Systems en Newcastle (pas de raison pour faire une nouvelle usine.).

[Invité Rob]

A DSEI, des entreprises ont presente leurs designs pour le MPPV competition (environ 190 vehicules), une etait MacNeillie avec QinetiQ.

Le vehicule du MacNeillie avec QinetiQ

Des autres nouvelles terreste.

BAE Systems a presente le Pinzgauer II.

BAE SYSTEMS launches new PINZGAUER VEHICLE at DSEi exhibition

London, United Kingdom. - BAE Systems has unveiled details of the new Pinzgauer II, the next generation of all-terrain wheeled vehicle, which combines mobility with increased payload, additional protection and more performance.

The 6x6 vehicle was launched today at the DSEi exhibition in London, and will build upon the proven track record of the Pinzgauer family of vehicles, which are in operation with armed forces in 29 countries.

Among its many features, the Pinzgauer II will house a Euro 4-compliant, six-cylinder, 145kW-output engine, enhanced air suspension and flexible armour packaging. The construction will allow for easy adaptation for special purposes, whether as a protected troop carrier or high-volume application. The base platform may also be fitted with a shelter body or other specialist equipment.

The ergonomically re-styled vehicle will offer additional height and width, with an increased 3.8-tonne payload capacity - suitable for loads that include two standard NATO pallets, up to 14 personnel with full kit, plus a wide range and mix of other equipment.

Another innovation will see the Pinzgauer II also available with a new bonnet-out-front design called ’Mantis’ which complements the more traditional cab-forward design. The new Mantis offers additional mine blast protection capability on top of the other new enhancements in the Pinzgauer II. The new vehicle design also offers enhances ride quality, making it equally ideal for use as an ambulance or as a carrier for electronics and sensitive weapons systems.

Graeme Rumbol, who heads up BAE Systems Land Systems’ Pinzgauer operations, said: "From the outset, the Pinzgauer II range has been designed with protection in mind. All variants can be supplied with a basic ’fitted-for’ architecture which can then be customised with enhancements designed to defeat a range of threats. These include cover blast, ballistic and fragment specifications."

The Pinzgauer II will be manufactured at the company’s bases in Guildford, Surrey and Fareham, Hampshire.

Link.

http://www.baesystems.com/Newsroom/NewsReleases/autoGen_107810162424.html

BAE Systems a presente le Panther - 401 commande.

PANTHER LEAPS AHEAD AFTER TRIALS SUCCESS

London, United Kingdom. - BAE Systems' Panther command and liaison vehicle has successfully passed its UK MOD reliability qualification trials after a rigorous test of its capabilities.

The trials are a major milestone towards the vehicle entering service with the British Army and BAE Systems is now on track to deliver the first 56 of the vehicles by the end of September. A total of 401 Panthers are scheduled to be delivered between now and first quarter 2009.

Panther is a multi-role rapid-deployment 4x4 vehicle with mine and ballistic protection which will provide advanced capability for UK troops. It was chosen by the UK MOD for its command and liaison vehicle programme and provides a new capability to meet the threats of the 21st century.

The reliability qualification trials were the culmination of the demonstration phase that followed both reliability growth trials and military user trials that were held earlier this year. Carried out at the Armoured Trials & Development Unit at Bovington in southern England, the trials aimed to evaluate the vehicle for a number of roles it will fulfill within the British Army and the Royal Air Force (RAF).

It will be used as a commander’s vehicle for engineer troops, anti-tank, mortar and supporting fire platoons and as a liaison officer's vehicle for armoured reconnaissance and armoured infantry units. It will also be deployed with REME for asset co-ordination, and by the Royal Signals for radio rebroadcast.

Bill Jamieson, business director, D&M Programmes for BAE Systems Land Systems, said: "The Military User Trials demonstrated that Panther matches the expectations of the crews in providing a vehicle that has many more technological advances than previously seen on land vehicles. Its outstanding mobility performance was specifically praised by the British Army crews."

Panther is a culmination of a product partnership between BAE Systems and Iveco DVD. The 7.1 tonne Panther is a highly innovative vehicle that combines the benefits of commercially proven automotives with a design that incorporates mine and ballistic protection.

The result is a highly survivable, air-transportable and high-mobility vehicle suited to deployment in a wide variety of roles and operational environments, from war to peace-keeping.

BAE Systems, which integrates the Panther at its Newcastle facility, has led the way in certifying the vehicle with the rigorous tests and requirements specified by the UK MOD, proving out the vehicle for the rest of Europe.

Link.

http://www.baesystems.com/Newsroom/NewsReleases/autoGen_10781018518.html

[Will]

Je n'aime pas que en ce moment on va dans tous les sens avec les vehicules: on achete 100 Mastiff ici, 100 Vector par la, 100 Supacat la... ca ne s'implifie pas la logistique, ces choses ont peu de pieces en commun.  =(

Le grand avantage de FRES c'est qu'on prend 3 familles ( CVR(T), FV430, Saxon)et on la remplace  par une seule. Entretient est moins chere et simplifiee. Pour le MPPV j'espere honetement qu'on prend des cougars 4x4 pour le maximum de "commonality" avec les Mastiff deja achete.  O0

[Invité Rob]

Je n'aime pas que en ce moment on va dans tous les sens avec les vehicules: on achete 100 Mastiff ici, 100 Vector par la, 100 Supacat la... ca ne s'implifie pas la logistique, ces choses ont peu de pieces en commun.

Je suis d'accord avec ca. Mais on peux voire aussi que on besoin remplacer des milles Land Rovers en les prochaines annees, et avec ca je pense qu'il est vrai d'acheter des Pinzgauers, Panthers et MWMIKs.

Le grand avantage de FRES c'est qu'on prend 3 familles ( CVR(T), FV430, Saxon)et on la remplace  par une seule. Entretient est moins chere et simplifiee. Pour le MPPV j'espere honetement qu'on prend des cougars 4x4 pour le maximum de "commonality" avec les Mastiff deja achete.  Afro

Je suis pour plus de FV432 MKIII Bulldog modernisations.

[Will]

Je pense aussi qu'on doit garder les bulldogs, les soldats aiment beaucoup, c'est un systeme simple et efficace. Pour moi les M113, FV432, BMP peuvent servir encore 40 ans avec les upgrades justes  =)

[Invité Rob]

Je pense aussi qu'on doit garder les bulldogs, les soldats aiment beaucoup, c'est un systeme simple et efficace. Pour moi les M113, FV432, BMP peuvent servir encore 40 ans avec les upgrades justes

Oui, et en moment nous produions environ 20 par mois, c'est a dire environ 240 par ans, c'est bien.

[Will]

http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/823AAD2B-178D-4BB6-904A-3CB5622FFDD7/0/Preview_163_Sept_2007.pdf

Le magazine "Preview" du DE&S de septembre, avec quelques images du trial of truth entre autres.