Le zulfiquar

[Kiriyama]

Le plus gros défaut du T-72 dans le cadre iranien, c'est le debattement négatif de son canon dans un pays aussi montagneux.

Ca avait déjà coûté cher au Syriens contre les Israéliens en 1982.

[loki]

pas trop, en 1982 ce sont surtout des T55 et T62 que les syriens avaient et comme en plus ils combattaient de façon défensive, ce point n'était pas un gros handicap .......

le gros problème pour les syriens a été de combattre avec 1 ( puis 1 autre division ) divisions contre 6 divisions israéliennes appuyées par l'aviation

l'emploi de T72m à l'occasion semble juste avoir été limité ( voire incertain )   

[Kiriyama]

Si la Syrie a bien utilisé des T-72, source de l'Encyclopédie des Armes,photos à l'appui.

[Zamorana]

Probablement comme lors de l'Irak en 1991, un usage anecdotique.

[Invité barbaros pacha]

J'ai trouver un article sur ce fameux char Iranien ''Zulfikar'' pour les anglophones:

Zulfiqar MBT

Early in 1994, Iran unveiled a new MBT called the Zulfigar which has been developed by 'Construction Crusade', an arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps.

Russia is known to have provided Iran with a quantity of T-72 MBTs and recent reports have indicated that the Zulfigar uses some components of the Russian T-72 including the 125 mm smoothbore gun and automatic loader. The T-72S, which Is an export version of the T-72 and is fitted with ERA, is now being manufactured in Iran under license.

A detailed analysis of available information and photographs of the Zulfiqar reveal that the hull and turret are of welded steel construction and bear little resemblance to the T-72 at all.

The Russian T-72 MBT, like the earlier T-54/T-55/ T-62, is powered by a diesel engine with the air Intakes/ outlets in the hull roof and the single exhaust outlet on the left side of the hull towards the rear.

The new Iranian MBT is powered by a diesel engine with two exhaust outlets in the rear of the hull; this could indicate the engine is a V-type. The layout of the Zulfigar MBT is conventional with the driver front left, turret in the centre and the power pack at the rear. The driver has a single-piece hatch cover that opens to the right and three day periscopes for driving when closed up. Suspension appears to be of the torsion bar type with six dual rubber-tired roadwheels, idler at the front and large drive sprocket at the rear; there are five return rollers.

The roadwheels and other parts of the suspension appear to be very similar to those of the US M60 series MBT which has been in service with Iran for many years. The hull of the Iranian MBT is of the box shape rather than the boat shape of the M48/M60 series.

The front of the turret is well sloped and is angled to the rear to provide the maximum possible level of protection. There is a domed ventilator in the turret roof on the right side and this is similar to that fitted to the US M48/M60 series MBTs, as are the day/night driving lights mounted on the glacis plate.

The commander is seated on the right with the gunner on the left. The two examples of the Zulfiqar do have a number of minor differences in the commander's cupola. The first one is similar to that used in the T-72 while the second one has a cupola that is similar to that developed in Israel and has an externally mounted 12.7 mm MG.

Main armament comprises a 125 mm smoothbore gun which is fitted with a fume extractor and may well be fed by an automatic loader. The 125 mm gun is positioned in a very narrow mantlet and there does not appear to be a coaxial machine gun fitted.

Iran may well have the capability to assemble an MBT, but it must be considered very doubtful if every single component used in the Zulfigar is produced in Iran. Some key subsystems must still be imported. No detailed specifications of the Zulfigar have been released but Iran sources have stated that it has a combat weight of 40 tonnes, is powered by a 1,000 hp diesel and has a maximum road speed of 70 km/h.

Iranian sources also claim that the Zulfigar is fitted with a weapon stabilization system and a computerized fire-control system which includes a laser range-finder. Night vision equipment is also fitted.

Late in 1999, it was stated that development of the third-generation Zulfiqar MBT had been completed and volume production for the Iranian ground forces had commenced.

Since the existence of the Zulfiqar MBT was first revealed in 1994, further development has taken place with the latest version claimed to have fundamental differences, especially in the turret.

According to Iran, the Zulfigar MBT features an NBC system, good cross-country mobility, advanced fire control system (possibly of European origin) and laser range-finder for improved first round hit capability and reinforced passive armor.

It is believed that the 125 mm smooth bore gun and its associated automatic loading system is the same as that installed in the T-72S MBT which is now being manufactured in Iran under a deal signed with Russia several years ago. This feeds the 125 mm projectile and then the charge into the 125 mm gun. A 7.62 mm machine gun is mounted coaxial with the main armament.

Russia and Poland have also supplied Iran with about 200 T-72 series MBTs which were delivered between 1993 and 1995. In many respects the Zulfigar MBT is very similar in. appearance to the now defunct Brazilian ENGESA Osorio MBT but with suspension similar to that of the 105 mm armed M60 MBT already in service with Iran. Prototypes of the Osorio were armed with a 105 mm rifled tank gun or a 120 mm smoothbore gun, both of which were manually loaded.

It is believed that the power pack of the Zulfiqar MBT may also be used in the upgraded Iranian T-54/T-55/ Type 59 MBT which is also called the Type 72Z and covered in a separate entry. This consists of a Russian V-46-6 V-12 diesel developing 780 hp coupled to a SPAT 1200 transmission. This gives Zulfiqar a maximum road speed of 65 km/h.

Status

In production. In service with the Iranian Army. There are no known exports of the Zulfiqar.

Manufacturers

Defence Industries Organisation. Shahid Kolah Dooz Industrial Complex.

http://www.irandefence.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4257&stc=1&d=1169049529

[GALIL10]

l'emploi de T72m à l'occasion semble juste avoir été limité ( voire incertain )  

au moin dix T72 ont été détruit par tsahal en combat de char contre des MK1.

[leclercs]

Cf l'analyse remarquable d'une comparaison merkava 1 / T72M (version export) dans la fabuleuse revue Truck and Tanks aux éditions caraktère

http://www.trucks-tanks.com/

[Chronos]

D'après cet article, l'Iran est donc capable de produire son propre char classique.

Iranian sources also claim that the Zulfigar is fitted with a weapon stabilization system and a computerized fire-control system which includes a laser range-finder. Night vision equipment is also fitted.

Il y à d'autres sources pour comparer Cette phrase ?

Jusqu'à quel angle le canon peut-il s'élever ou descendre ? Je demande ça suite à la remarque de Zamorana sur les T72

[loki]

l'emploi de T72m à l'occasion semble juste avoir été limité ( voire incertain )  

au moin dix T72 ont été détruit par tsahal en combat de char contre des MK1.

pour ma part, je me réfère à l'ouvrage de KM Pollack "arabs at war" qui donnent les faits et chiffres suivants :

-seule la 3iè division syrienne a été engagée avec des T72 et elle a trés peu combattu ( le 11 juin )

- selon les auteurs suivants cordesman, wagner , dupuy et martell : les merkava auraient détruits 9 T72

- selon Drori ( général israélien ayant participé à cette guerre ) : la majeure partie des T72 le furent par des TOW et non des merkava

- selon tusa francis  : 30 T72 détruits en tout mais là aussi surtout par des TOW

- selon gabriel ( "opération peace for galilee" ) : 9 T72 détruits uniquement par des TOW 

[brenus]

pour le T-72 , il souffre comme tous les chars russes d'un problème de conception , l'équipage est litteralement assis sur le stokc de munitions , le caroussel etant placé au fond du panier de tourelle , un coup dans le chassis juste sous la tourelle , et ton T-72 est satellisé, ce n'est pas pour rien que les russes pour le black eagle ont prévu de placé les munitions en nuque de tourelle à l'occidentale

pour le zulfiqar, c'est un mix entre le T-72 et le M-60 , le tout avec un design à la M-1

[loki]

D'après cet article, l'Iran est donc capable de produire son propre char classique.

Il y à d'autres sources pour comparer Cette phrase ?

Jusqu'à quel angle le canon peut-il s'élever ou descendre ? Je demande ça suite à la remarque de Zamorana sur les T72

il faut signaler que pour le combat de nuit, les rapports du CISS ne répertorient qu'un intensificateur de lumière et pas une caméra thermique

globalement l'équipement de combat de nuit est certainement bien plus limité en portée de détectionque ce que l'on trouve sur un MBT occidental réçent

d'un autre coté , il est possible que ça soit suffisant à l'armée iranienne