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J'ai jamais compris pourquoi on utilise pas les ASMP-A avec une charge classique pour de l'anti navire (facon missile hyper sonique russe) ou comme un Scalp. Le missile est trop cher?

Ils font chier! Juste parce que des cons de bankier ont fait des prets de malades a des connes de caissieres a Walmart et de Coiffeuses pour la seule raison qu'elles avaient un cheque de salaire toutes les semaines, pour qu'elles puissent s'acheter des maisons a 3 etages... maintenant a cause de la connerie encore plus grosse des republicains, le monde entier va trinquer!

Pour les equipement et bardas, au pire on peut toujours rajouter des portes bagages dehors comme sur les 10RC ou blindes US. Seulement apres quelques mois en Irak, j'ai lu quelque part que les GI etaient interdit de metre quoi que ce soit dehors, car au moindre RPG, ca prend feu...

$50 mil??? What a great partnership. Co-fund development and tools using tax payer's money... And you get to buy a product from private industry that no one knows how much it will cost and when it might be ready. I wish all state supported programs were run like this. Ah well, at least they can order sensor upgrades and such from a 3rd party since they all receive the source codes right? Pffffff

By Stephen Trimble Rand's 90-slide briefing presented in August argues that the US Air Force's fifth-generation fighter fleet could be outmatched by hordes of lesser-skilled Chinese Sukhoi Su-27 pilots in a 2020 battle over the Taiwan Straits. In the Rand war game, China launches an air attack on skies above Taiwan. Using advantages of proximity and sheer numbers, the assault force consists of 72 Su-27 Flankers, 24 in each of three regiments. Operating from Andersen AFB, Guam, the USAF can muster only six Lockheed F-22s in the Taiwan Straits at any time. As the engagement starts, Chinese Flankers outnumber F-22s by 72 to six. The F-22s are also heavily outgunned in the battle. Three Su-27 regiments carry a total of 912 air-to-air missiles, compared with 48 by six F-22s. In the end, the simulation optimistically assumes no F-22s are shot down in dogfights, but enough Su-27s break through to wipe out the USAF's tankers. Since the F-22s lack the range to return to a friendly base, they are lost anyway.

C'est marrant que tu dises cela, car lors d'une visite du Foudre en Afrique avec le pere d'un amis de classe (c'etait il y a... presque 10 ans voire plus) etait a la cooperation militaire la bas, et officier de l'Adla. (J'adorai visiter avec eux car on nous montrait plus de choses que les visites des "civiles") Donc le marin nous montre un des 30 mm en rigolant et disant au pere de mon ami "De toutes facons, c'est obsolete de nos jours, un canon comme celui la ne vous fera surement pas peur a vous pilotes" et il a repondu "Detrompez vous, on en tien toujours compte, ca peut toujours faire mal". Apres je ne sais pas si il essayait de rester correcte vis a vis du marin ou pas... J'aurai du lui demandait, mais l'epoque j'y ai pas penser.

On aurait pas du vendre le FOch et le garder pour l'entrainement... Une seule solution le racheter aux Bresiliens ou bien retaper le Clemenceau.

(C'est pas a la tour de controler tout ca aussi?) Desoler de poursuivre le HS mais c'est quoi la procedure quand on perd un 1er ministre en fonction? Qui le remplace momentanement? Le ministre d'etat? ou bien y a t il un vote (a l'assemblee) ou juste le president qui nome un nouveau 1er ministre?

Personne n'est inquiet/interesser par le rapport RAND ou tout le monde s'en fou car ce n'est pas du serieux?

U.K., U.S. Seek To Resolve BAE Tornado Probe By vago muradian and andrew chuter Published: 4 Sep 16:29 EDT (20:29 GMT) Print | Email LONDON - British and American officials are attempting to negotiate a settlement to end a U.S. Justice Department corruption investigation into BAE Systems' sale of Tornado jet fighters to Saudi Arabia in the 1980s. U.S. congressional approval of U.S. components that would be fitted to Eurofighter jets the British government has sold to Saudi Arabia is on hold because of the investigation. (Eurofighter photo) U.S. officials have been in London this week, although who exactly is involved in the talks remains unclear. The Justice Department has accused the British defense giant of violating U.S. laws by passing bribes to Saudi officials through an American bank. Sources say the two allies are working on how they can close the affair with a negotiated settlement. U.K. officials want to put the issue to rest, but not at the expense of admitting to wrongdoing. U.S. officials maintain that if U.S. laws were broken, violators should be held accountable. One option the officials may be looking at is to have the issue resolved as a civil rather than as a criminal case. That would significantly reduce any potential damage to BAE or the British government. The Justice Department investigation followed a long-running British Serious Fraud Office (SFO) inquiry into allegations of Saudi corruption against Europe's leading defense company. The SFO investigation was eventually blocked by the British government in the face of Saudi threats that the inquiry would damage relations between the two countries. A spokesman for BAE said it was "inappropriate to say anything. It's a matter for the Justice Department." Justice Department officials declined to comment. The Foreign and Commonwealth Office was unable to respond in time. At one point earlier this year, then-BAE CEO Mike Turner and another top executive of the British company were detained by Justice Department officials as they entered the United States. The executives had their computers and mobiles phones examined. Five executives in the United States and the United Kingdom were subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury in July. Turner retired at the end of August to be replaced as CEO by Chief Operating Officer Ian King. The British government and BAE have consistently denied wrongdoing, but the company worries that a prolonged Justice Department investigation would derail its global prospects. For example, U.S. congressional approval of U.S. components that would be fitted to Eurofighter jets the British government has sold to Saudi Arabia in a multibillion-pound deal is on hold because of the investigation. In February, the chairman and ranking member of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Sens. Joseph Biden, R-Del., and Richard Lugar, R-Ind., sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey that didn't object to the retransfer, and asked whether doing so would either impede Justice's investigation or future prosecution of BAE. The State Department is expected to formally notify the Foreign Relations Committee of its intention to approve the sale of the Eurofighter to Saudi later this month. Eurofighter contains more than 2,000 components supplied by US companies. This is pretty disgraceful. The lesson of this adventure should be don't use american components in future. Can you imagine if this was the other way round and Europeans were telling America they couldn't sell to a certain country because their plane contained european components.

Regardez les sieges des operateurs radars ou systemes d'armes dans les Fregates, Sous Marins, voire Pilotes (chasses ou transport) ou meme helicos, ils sont rarement deglinguer comme cela... meme apres des annees d'utilisation. Comme a dit quelq'un il s'agit peut etre pas de la version definitive... Sinon, qui est charger de nettoyer la boue dans les vehicules et comment ils font?

Les VBCI sont censer etre tout neuf et la: http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/photoengins/france/vci/vbci/vbci_27.jpg L'interieur est degeulasse, la peinture ecaillee, le siege dechirer !

Loin de moi l'envie de te contredire ou rentrer dans un debat sur la mobilite, mais (en tout amateur que je suis) sur bcp (la majorite?) de videos youtube en tout genre, on voit les engins faire feux en etant a l'arret: Les fameuses videos des: Sagaies en CI Leclerc dans le desert Combats pour la prise d'un pont a l'entree de Bagdad Etc, d'ailleur la majorite des videos de la guerre en Iraq ou l'on voit des IFV, APC ou chars tirer, ils le font a l'arret. J'essaye juste de dire que ce n'est peut etre pas si grave que cela, de ne pas avoir la tourelle stabilisee.

Ca pose probleme pour le tir en mouvement uniquement non?

Le Bronco est pas bien? (moins chere)

Alors Broncos ou BV206 ?

Merde, j'ai pas fais gaffe c'est vrai... RAFAEL comme souvent on voit sur les forums US...

Je vien de poste ca dans le topic F35... Mattez la presentation (style .ppt) c'est assez interessant et cool parce que ca casse du F35... mais mattez egalement ou sont les M2000 et Rafale dans le graphique... =( Y'en marre, la France c'est toujours la "loose" vu de l'etranger! http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2008/09/download-infamous-rand-air-pow.html Download infamous RAND air power briefing.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2008/09/download-infamous-rand-air-pow.html Download infamous RAND air power briefing.

British Armed forces Broken down fleet http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/article1736584.ece

This is an image of the fighters "Rafale" and "Mirage 2000", obtained from the passive optical-electronic observation system. This system is completely integrated from BRLS and by other systems, which makes it possible to identify the purposes to at large distances and accomplish their passive tracking. Into the composition of optical-electronic system enters the LASER range finder, information from which comes into on-board computer, which estimates the data for the bomb releasing.

Il y en a qui vollent encore en DC9 :O

Merci pour ces infos. A mais ne t'arretes pas la! Continue maintenant qu'on a l'eau a la bouche! :lol: (Dans un autre sujet si tu veux, si c'est trop HS pour le sujet FREMM a moins qu'ils aient pas fait les fieres a cause d'une Fregate ASM... la ca reste un peut dans le sujet) Ou vas tu glaner toutes ces infos? Sur Milles-Sabords (le site) ?

Ben c'est forcement une image prise par l'OSF! Ca c'est bien une exclu russe! J'aurai bien aimer connaitre la distance des deux avions... vu le grain, peut etre une 50 aine de Km? ps: Merci pour la traduc!