L'actualité du CdG

[Philippe Top-Force]

Quel est le rapport avec l'actualité du Charles ? :rolleyes:

[P4]

Quel est le rapport avec l'actualité du Charles ? :rolleyes:

je mets le texte du lien précédent

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm

HON. RON PAUL OF TEXAS

Before the U.S. House of Representatives

February 15, 2006

The End of Dollar Hegemony

A hundred years ago it was called “dollar diplomacy.” After World War II, and especially after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989, that policy evolved into “dollar hegemony.” But after all these many years of great success, our dollar dominance is coming to an end.

It has been said, rightly, that he who holds the gold makes the rules. In earlier times it was readily accepted that fair and honest trade required an exchange for something of real value.

First it was simply barter of goods. Then it was discovered that gold held a universal attraction, and was a convenient substitute for more cumbersome barter transactions. Not only did gold facilitate exchange of goods and services, it served as a store of value for those who wanted to save for a rainy day.

Though money developed naturally in the marketplace, as governments grew in power they assumed monopoly control over money. Sometimes governments succeeded in guaranteeing the quality and purity of gold, but in time governments learned to outspend their revenues. New or higher taxes always incurred the disapproval of the people, so it wasn’t long before Kings and Caesars learned how to inflate their currencies by reducing the amount of gold in each coin-- always hoping their subjects wouldn’t discover the fraud. But the people always did, and they strenuously objected.

This helped pressure leaders to seek more gold by conquering other nations. The people became accustomed to living beyond their means, and enjoyed the circuses and bread. Financing extravagances by conquering foreign lands seemed a logical alternative to working harder and producing more. Besides, conquering nations not only brought home gold, they brought home slaves as well. Taxing the people in conquered territories also provided an incentive to build empires. This system of government worked well for a while, but the moral decline of the people led to an unwillingness to produce for themselves. There was a limit to the number of countries that could be sacked for their wealth, and this always brought empires to an end. When gold no longer could be obtained, their military might crumbled. In those days those who held the gold truly wrote the rules and lived well.

That general rule has held fast throughout the ages. When gold was used, and the rules protected honest commerce, productive nations thrived. Whenever wealthy nations-- those with powerful armies and gold-- strived only for empire and easy fortunes to support welfare at home, those nations failed.

Today the principles are the same, but the process is quite different. Gold no longer is the currency of the realm; paper is. The truth now is: “He who prints the money makes the rules”-- at least for the time being. Although gold is not used, the goals are the same: compel foreign countries to produce and subsidize the country with military superiority and control over the monetary printing presses.

Since printing paper money is nothing short of counterfeiting, the issuer of the international currency must always be the country with the military might to guarantee control over the system. This magnificent scheme seems the perfect system for obtaining perpetual wealth for the country that issues the de facto world currency. The one problem, however, is that such a system destroys the character of the counterfeiting nation’s people-- just as was the case when gold was the currency and it was obtained by conquering other nations. And this destroys the incentive to save and produce, while encouraging debt and runaway welfare.

The pressure at home to inflate the currency comes from the corporate welfare recipients, as well as those who demand handouts as compensation for their needs and perceived injuries by others. In both cases personal responsibility for one’s actions is rejected.

When paper money is rejected, or when gold runs out, wealth and political stability are lost. The country then must go from living beyond its means to living beneath its means, until the economic and political systems adjust to the new rules-- rules no longer written by those who ran the now defunct printing press.

“Dollar Diplomacy,” a policy instituted by William Howard Taft and his Secretary of State Philander C. Knox, was designed to enhance U.S. commercial investments in Latin America and the Far East. McKinley concocted a war against Spain in 1898, and (Teddy) Roosevelt’s corollary to the Monroe Doctrine preceded Taft’s aggressive approach to using the U.S. dollar and diplomatic influence to secure U.S. investments abroad. This earned the popular title of “Dollar Diplomacy.” The significance of Roosevelt’s change was that our intervention now could be justified by the mere “appearance” that a country of interest to us was politically or fiscally vulnerable to European control. Not only did we claim a right, but even an official U.S. government “obligation” to protect our commercial interests from Europeans.

This new policy came on the heels of the “gunboat” diplomacy of the late 19th century, and it meant we could buy influence before resorting to the threat of force. By the time the “dollar diplomacy” of William Howard Taft was clearly articulated, the seeds of American empire were planted. And they were destined to grow in the fertile political soil of a country that lost its love and respect for the republic bequeathed to us by the authors of the Constitution. And indeed they did. It wasn’t too long before dollar “diplomacy” became dollar “hegemony” in the second half of the 20th century.

This transition only could have occurred with a dramatic change in monetary policy and the nature of the dollar itself.

Congress created the Federal Reserve System in 1913. Between then and 1971 the principle of sound money was systematically undermined. Between 1913 and 1971, the Federal Reserve found it much easier to expand the money supply at will for financing war or manipulating the economy with little resistance from Congress-- while benefiting the special interests that influence government.

Dollar dominance got a huge boost after World War II. We were spared the destruction that so many other nations suffered, and our coffers were filled with the world’s gold. But the world chose not to return to the discipline of the gold standard, and the politicians applauded. Printing money to pay the bills was a lot more popular than taxing or restraining unnecessary spending. In spite of the short-term benefits, imbalances were institutionalized for decades to come.

The 1944 Bretton Woods agreement solidified the dollar as the preeminent world reserve currency, replacing the British pound. Due to our political and military muscle, and because we had a huge amount of physical gold, the world readily accepted our dollar (defined as 1/35th of an ounce of gold) as the world’s reserve currency. The dollar was said to be “as good as gold,” and convertible to all foreign central banks at that rate. For American citizens, however, it remained illegal to own. This was a gold-exchange standard that from inception was doomed to fail.

The U.S. did exactly what many predicted she would do. She printed more dollars for which there was no gold backing. But the world was content to accept those dollars for more than 25 years with little question-- until the French and others in the late 1960s demanded we fulfill our promise to pay one ounce of gold for each $35 they delivered to the U.S. Treasury. This resulted in a huge gold drain that brought an end to a very poorly devised pseudo-gold standard.

It all ended on August 15, 1971, when Nixon closed the gold window and refused to pay out any of our remaining 280 million ounces of gold. In essence, we declared our insolvency and everyone recognized some other monetary system had to be devised in order to bring stability to the markets.

Amazingly, a new system was devised which allowed the U.S. to operate the printing presses for the world reserve currency with no restraints placed on it-- not even a pretense of gold convertibility, none whatsoever! Though the new policy was even more deeply flawed, it nevertheless opened the door for dollar hegemony to spread.

Realizing the world was embarking on something new and mind boggling, elite money managers, with especially strong support from U.S. authorities, struck an agreement with OPEC to price oil in U.S. dollars exclusively for all worldwide transactions. This gave the dollar a special place among world currencies and in essence “backed” the dollar with oil. In return, the U.S. promised to protect the various oil-rich kingdoms in the Persian Gulf against threat of invasion or domestic coup. This arrangement helped ignite the radical Islamic movement among those who resented our influence in the region. The arrangement gave the dollar artificial strength, with tremendous financial benefits for the United States. It allowed us to export our monetary inflation by buying oil and other goods at a great discount as dollar influence flourished.

This post-Bretton Woods system was much more fragile than the system that existed between 1945 and 1971. Though the dollar/oil arrangement was helpful, it was not nearly as stable as the pseudo gold standard under Bretton Woods. It certainly was less stable than the gold standard of the late 19th century.

During the 1970s the dollar nearly collapsed, as oil prices surged and gold skyrocketed to $800 an ounce. By 1979 interest rates of 21% were required to rescue the system. The pressure on the dollar in the 1970s, in spite of the benefits accrued to it, reflected reckless budget deficits and monetary inflation during the 1960s. The markets were not fooled by LBJ’s claim that we could afford both “guns and butter.”

Once again the dollar was rescued, and this ushered in the age of true dollar hegemony lasting from the early 1980s to the present. With tremendous cooperation coming from the central banks and international commercial banks, the dollar was accepted as if it were gold.

Fed Chair Alan Greenspan, on several occasions before the House Banking Committee, answered my challenges to him about his previously held favorable views on gold by claiming that he and other central bankers had gotten paper money-- i.e. the dollar system-- to respond as if it were gold. Each time I strongly disagreed, and pointed out that if they had achieved such a feat they would have defied centuries of economic history regarding the need for money to be something of real value. He smugly and confidently concurred with this.

In recent years central banks and various financial institutions, all with vested interests in maintaining a workable fiat dollar standard, were not secretive about selling and loaning large amounts of gold to the market even while decreasing gold prices raised serious questions about the wisdom of such a policy. They never admitted to gold price fixing, but the evidence is abundant that they believed if the gold price fell it would convey a sense of confidence to the market, confidence that they indeed had achieved amazing success in turning paper into gold.

Increasing gold prices historically are viewed as an indicator of distrust in paper currency. This recent effort was not a whole lot different than the U.S. Treasury selling gold at $35 an ounce in the 1960s, in an attempt to convince the world the dollar was sound and as good as gold. Even during the Depression, one of Roosevelt’s first acts was to remove free market gold pricing as an indication of a flawed monetary system by making it illegal for American citizens to own gold. Economic law eventually limited that effort, as it did in the early 1970s when our Treasury and the IMF tried to fix the price of gold by dumping tons into the market to dampen the enthusiasm of those seeking a safe haven for a falling dollar after gold ownership was re-legalized.

Once again the effort between 1980 and 2000 to fool the market as to the true value of the dollar proved unsuccessful. In the past 5 years the dollar has been devalued in terms of gold by more than 50%. You just can’t fool all the people all the time, even with the power of the mighty printing press and money creating system of the Federal Reserve.

Even with all the shortcomings of the fiat monetary system, dollar influence thrived. The results seemed beneficial, but gross distortions built into the system remained. And true to form, Washington politicians are only too anxious to solve the problems cropping up with window dressing, while failing to understand and deal with the underlying flawed policy. Protectionism, fixing exchange rates, punitive tariffs, politically motivated sanctions, corporate subsidies, international trade management, price controls, interest rate and wage controls, super-nationalist sentiments, threats of force, and even war are resorted to—all to solve the problems artificially created by deeply flawed monetary and economic systems.

In the short run, the issuer of a fiat reserve currency can accrue great economic benefits. In the long run, it poses a threat to the country issuing the world currency. In this case that’s the United States. As long as foreign countries take our dollars in return for real goods, we come out ahead. This is a benefit many in Congress fail to recognize, as they bash China for maintaining a positive trade balance with us. But this leads to a loss of manufacturing jobs to overseas markets, as we become more dependent on others and less self-sufficient. Foreign countries accumulate our dollars due to their high savings rates, and graciously loan them back to us at low interest rates to finance our excessive consumption.

It sounds like a great deal for everyone, except the time will come when our dollars-- due to their depreciation-- will be received less enthusiastically or even be rejected by foreign countries. That could create a whole new ballgame and force us to pay a price for living beyond our means and our production. The shift in sentiment regarding the dollar has already started, but the worst is yet to come.

The agreement with OPEC in the 1970s to price oil in dollars has provided tremendous artificial strength to the dollar as the preeminent reserve currency. This has created a universal demand for the dollar, and soaks up the huge number of new dollars generated each year. Last year alone M3 increased over $700 billion.

The artificial demand for our dollar, along with our military might, places us in the unique position to “rule” the world without productive work or savings, and without limits on consumer spending or deficits. The problem is, it can’t last.

Price inflation is raising its ugly head, and the NASDAQ bubble-- generated by easy money-- has burst. The housing bubble likewise created is deflating. Gold prices have doubled, and federal spending is out of sight with zero political will to rein it in. The trade deficit last year was over $728 billion. A $2 trillion war is raging, and plans are being laid to expand the war into Iran and possibly Syria. The only restraining force will be the world’s rejection of the dollar. It’s bound to come and create conditions worse than 1979-1980, which required 21% interest rates to correct. But everything possible will be done to protect the dollar in the meantime. We have a shared interest with those who hold our dollars to keep the whole charade going.

Greenspan, in his first speech after leaving the Fed, said that gold prices were up because of concern about terrorism, and not because of monetary concerns or because he created too many dollars during his tenure. Gold has to be discredited and the dollar propped up. Even when the dollar comes under serious attack by market forces, the central banks and the IMF surely will do everything conceivable to soak up the dollars in hope of restoring stability. Eventually they will fail.

Most importantly, the dollar/oil relationship has to be maintained to keep the dollar as a preeminent currency. Any attack on this relationship will be forcefully challenged—as it already has been.

In November 2000 Saddam Hussein demanded Euros for his oil. His arrogance was a threat to the dollar; his lack of any military might was never a threat. At the first cabinet meeting with the new administration in 2001, as reported by Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, the major topic was how we would get rid of Saddam Hussein-- though there was no evidence whatsoever he posed a threat to us. This deep concern for Saddam Hussein surprised and shocked O’Neill.

It now is common knowledge that the immediate reaction of the administration after 9/11 revolved around how they could connect Saddam Hussein to the attacks, to justify an invasion and overthrow of his government. Even with no evidence of any connection to 9/11, or evidence of weapons of mass destruction, public and congressional support was generated through distortions and flat out misrepresentation of the facts to justify overthrowing Saddam Hussein.

There was no public talk of removing Saddam Hussein because of his attack on the integrity of the dollar as a reserve currency by selling oil in Euros. Many believe this was the real reason for our obsession with Iraq. I doubt it was the only reason, but it may well have played a significant role in our motivation to wage war. Within a very short period after the military victory, all Iraqi oil sales were carried out in dollars. The Euro was abandoned.

In 2001, Venezuela’s ambassador to Russia spoke of Venezuela switching to the Euro for all their oil sales. Within a year there was a coup attempt against Chavez, reportedly with assistance from our CIA.

After these attempts to nudge the Euro toward replacing the dollar as the world’s reserve currency were met with resistance, the sharp fall of the dollar against the Euro was reversed. These events may well have played a significant role in maintaining dollar dominance.

It’s become clear the U.S. administration was sympathetic to those who plotted the overthrow of Chavez, and was embarrassed by its failure. The fact that Chavez was democratically elected had little influence on which side we supported.

Now, a new attempt is being made against the petrodollar system. Iran, another member of the “axis of evil,” has announced her plans to initiate an oil bourse in March of this year. Guess what, the oil sales will be priced Euros, not dollars.

Most Americans forget how our policies have systematically and needlessly antagonized the Iranians over the years. In 1953 the CIA helped overthrow a democratically elected president, Mohammed Mossadeqh, and install the authoritarian Shah, who was friendly to the U.S. The Iranians were still fuming over this when the hostages were seized in 1979. Our alliance with Saddam Hussein in his invasion of Iran in the early 1980s did not help matters, and obviously did not do much for our relationship with Saddam Hussein. The administration announcement in 2001 that Iran was part of the axis of evil didn’t do much to improve the diplomatic relationship between our two countries. Recent threats over nuclear power, while ignoring the fact that they are surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons, doesn’t seem to register with those who continue to provoke Iran. With what most Muslims perceive as our war against Islam, and this recent history, there’s little wonder why Iran might choose to harm America by undermining the dollar. Iran, like Iraq, has zero capability to attack us. But that didn’t stop us from turning Saddam Hussein into a modern day Hitler ready to take over the world. Now Iran, especially since she’s made plans for pricing oil in Euros, has been on the receiving end of a propaganda war not unlike that waged against Iraq before our invasion.

It’s not likely that maintaining dollar supremacy was the only motivating factor for the war against Iraq, nor for agitating against Iran. Though the real reasons for going to war are complex, we now know the reasons given before the war started, like the presence of weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein’s connection to 9/11, were false. The dollar’s importance is obvious, but this does not diminish the influence of the distinct plans laid out years ago by the neo-conservatives to remake the Middle East. Israel’s influence, as well as that of the Christian Zionists, likewise played a role in prosecuting this war. Protecting “our” oil supplies has influenced our Middle East policy for decades.

But the truth is that paying the bills for this aggressive intervention is impossible the old fashioned way, with more taxes, more savings, and more production by the American people. Much of the expense of the Persian Gulf War in 1991 was shouldered by many of our willing allies. That’s not so today. Now, more than ever, the dollar hegemony-- it’s dominance as the world reserve currency-- is required to finance our huge war expenditures. This $2 trillion never-ending war must be paid for, one way or another. Dollar hegemony provides the vehicle to do just that.

For the most part the true victims aren’t aware of how they pay the bills. The license to create money out of thin air allows the bills to be paid through price inflation. American citizens, as well as average citizens of Japan, China, and other countries suffer from price inflation, which represents the “tax” that pays the bills for our military adventures. That is until the fraud is discovered, and the foreign producers decide not to take dollars nor hold them very long in payment for their goods. Everything possible is done to prevent the fraud of the monetary system from being exposed to the masses who suffer from it. If oil markets replace dollars with Euros, it would in time curtail our ability to continue to print, without restraint, the world’s reserve currency.

It is an unbelievable benefit to us to import valuable goods and export depreciating dollars. The exporting countries have become addicted to our purchases for their economic growth. This dependency makes them allies in continuing the fraud, and their participation keeps the dollar’s value artificially high. If this system were workable long term, American citizens would never have to work again. We too could enjoy “bread and circuses” just as the Romans did, but their gold finally ran out and the inability of Rome to continue to plunder conquered nations brought an end to her empire.

The same thing will happen to us if we don’t change our ways. Though we don’t occupy foreign countries to directly plunder, we nevertheless have spread our troops across 130 nations of the world. Our intense effort to spread our power in the oil-rich Middle East is not a coincidence. But unlike the old days, we don’t declare direct ownership of the natural resources-- we just insist that we can buy what we want and pay for it with our paper money. Any country that challenges our authority does so at great risk.

Once again Congress has bought into the war propaganda against Iran, just as it did against Iraq. Arguments are now made for attacking Iran economically, and militarily if necessary. These arguments are all based on the same false reasons given for the ill-fated and costly occupation of Iraq.

Our whole economic system depends on continuing the current monetary arrangement, which means recycling the dollar is crucial. Currently, we borrow over $700 billion every year from our gracious benefactors, who work hard and take our paper for their goods. Then we borrow all the money we need to secure the empire (DOD budget $450 billion) plus more. The military might we enjoy becomes the “backing” of our currency. There are no other countries that can challenge our military superiority, and therefore they have little choice but to accept the dollars we declare are today’s “gold.” This is why countries that challenge the system-- like Iraq, Iran and Venezuela-- become targets of our plans for regime change.

Ironically, dollar superiority depends on our strong military, and our strong military depends on the dollar. As long as foreign recipients take our dollars for real goods and are willing to finance our extravagant consumption and militarism, the status quo will continue regardless of how huge our foreign debt and current account deficit become.

But real threats come from our political adversaries who are incapable of confronting us militarily, yet are not bashful about confronting us economically. That’s why we see the new challenge from Iran being taken so seriously. The urgent arguments about Iran posing a military threat to the security of the United States are no more plausible than the false charges levied against Iraq. Yet there is no effort to resist this march to confrontation by those who grandstand for political reasons against the Iraq war.

It seems that the people and Congress are easily persuaded by the jingoism of the preemptive war promoters. It’s only after the cost in human life and dollars are tallied up that the people object to unwise militarism.

The strange thing is that the failure in Iraq is now apparent to a large majority of American people, yet they and Congress are acquiescing to the call for a needless and dangerous confrontation with Iran.

But then again, our failure to find Osama bin Laden and destroy his network did not dissuade us from taking on the Iraqis in a war totally unrelated to 9/11.

Concern for pricing oil only in dollars helps explain our willingness to drop everything and teach Saddam Hussein a lesson for his defiance in demanding Euros for oil.

And once again there’s this urgent call for sanctions and threats of force against Iran at the precise time Iran is opening a new oil exchange with all transactions in Euros.

Using force to compel people to accept money without real value can only work in the short run. It ultimately leads to economic dislocation, both domestic and international, and always ends with a price to be paid.

The economic law that honest exchange demands only things of real value as currency cannot be repealed. The chaos that one day will ensue from our 35-year experiment with worldwide fiat money will require a return to money of real value. We will know that day is approaching when oil-producing countries demand gold, or its equivalent, for their oil rather than dollars or Euros. The sooner the better.

résumé officiel

le CDG, comme il etait prévu par dans le golfe pour des faire des exercices avec differentes nations.

la "communautée internationnale est concernée par le programme nucleaire civil Iranien qui pourrait servir de couverture a un programme militaire.

a ce titre la France est concerné par le respect du TNP,elle est meme tres ferme.

(déclaration de Douste) et interprétation par les medias du discours de JC a l'ile longue.

cette fermetée justifie la possibilitée que le CDG croise le long des cotes Iraniénes pour faire pression aux cotés de nos alliés et "super copain" US qui sont "tanké" in Irak.

afin d'obtenir un fléchissement Iranien sur un programme nucleaire militaire.

quelques questions

le discours de JC a t'il eté bien interprété?(ses propos sur les menaces concernant nos approvisionnement énergétique.)

tous le monde a dit que l'Iran ferait peser une menace sur les pays du golfe.

personne n'a vu qu'une attaque de l'Iran amoindrirait notre approvisionnement.

donc le pays attaquant l'iran attaque nos interet vitaux.

la réaction "d'effroi" des pays europpéens suite au discours de JC.

les gouvernements l'on t'il interprété comme les médias?(la peur d'un conflit avec l'Iran ou autre chose)

de plus quel est notre interet premier a nous Français( et poltrons Européens).

que l'Iran n'est pas la bombe ou qu'elle enterine les buts economiques/politiques derriére la création de l'EURO.(ne plus acheter des dollards pour nos échanges commerciaux)

comme a l'onu pour l'Irak sommes nous en train de nous opposé a la politique US?

attaquer l'Iran c'est une chose couler le CDG c'est autre chose puisque c'est un conflit ouvert avec une "vraie" puissance nucleaire.

je sais j'suis dingue.(mais qu'en pense les Russes et les Chinois)

[Philippe Top-Force]

whaou ! dans le désordre :La France a diversifié ses approvisionnements énergétiques :arrow: avec plusieurs fournisseurs et donc plusieurs partennaires commerciaux. Les USA en font de même et songent à ce que le Vénézuéla qui leur fournit au passage 15 % des approvisionnements en pétrole ,soit une option. Le discours et la visite à Ile Longue étaient programmés longtemps à l'avance ,c'est une coïncidence avec l'actualité. Le fait que le CDG est à la fois une arme de diplomatie ou de dissuasion ,en fait un outil pour la France (une permanence avec un PA2 est donc plusque souhaitable) Depuis 2001 ,la France participe à l'opération Héracles. Elle coopére militairement avec beaucoup de pays du golfe persique.

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J'ai pas trop saisi ton scenario P4... On envoit le CdG dans le Golfe, non pas pour faire pression sur l'Iran mais pour s'opposer aux usa d'attaquer l'Iran ? Est ce bien cela ? Un scénario digne de Tom Clancy, non ?

[P4]

a propos du Venez.

http://www.dedefensa.org/article.php?art_id=2425

l'armée US(+100 000gi's) en Irak est super fragile a cause de sa dépendance logistique.

sans logistique sa capacitée de combatre chute de combien?

elle devient une proie facile pour les "insurges" Irakiens.

nous serions bete de ne pas profiter de cette position d'otage dans laquelle les US se sont mis en Irak.

si notre armée ne nous sert que pour défiler au 14 juillet bazardons la............

c'est sur que JC va pas faire un discours a la chavez (car trop de nos compatriotes feraient dans leur froc),pour autant il faut savoir etre offensif quand l'occasion se présente.

[glitter]

P4 arrête ton délire. Les pays utilisant l'Euro seront les premiers à soutenir le dollar s'il doit souffrir à cause de ca.

[P4]

P4 arrête ton délire.

Les pays utilisant l'Euro seront les premiers à soutenir le dollar s'il doit souffrir à cause de ca.

en douceur ;)

[P4]

http://www.dedefensa.org/choix.php?link_id=6355&comm=0

c'est pas pour insister.

[webfabrice]

Retour au sujet avec un article de Mer et MArine sur le déploiement du GAN :

Marine nationale

Près de 3000 marins français et britanniques appareillent de Toulon

Le porte-avions Charles de Gaulle, trois frégates, un sous-marin nucléaire d’attaque et un bâtiment de commandement et de ravitaillement partent aujourd’hui pour une mission de cinq mois. Le groupe aéronaval, mènera dans les prochains jours la qualification des pilotes embarqués puis mettra le cap vers le canal de Suez et l’Océan Indien. La mission Agapanthe 06 doit permettre d’entretenir la capacité de projection de puissance de la France au profit de l’opération de lutte anti-terrorisme Enduring Freedom (suite aux opérations contre les Talibans en Afghanistan) et de la FIAS (force international d’assistance à la sécurité de l’OTAN). En marge de ces missions, le groupe aéronaval français (Task Force 473) conduira des opérations navales, aériennes et sous-marines dans le domaine de la sécurité maritime. Pour la Marine nationale, ce « soutien (à la coalition) a pour but de démontrer la détermination et la volonté de prendre part à l’effort de lutte contre le terrorisme international et d’être prêt à participer ou à conduire tout engagement opérationnel sous faible préavis. Pour ce faire, il est nécessaire d’entretenir un haut degré de coordination et d’interopérabilité avec les forces opérationnelles ».

42.000 tonnes de diplomatie

En vertu du traditionnel concept voulant qu’un porte-avions pèse son poids en diplomatie, les 42.000 tonnes du Charles de Gaulle seront politiquement les bienvenus dans la région du Golfe, où l’Iran menace toujours de mener à bien son programme nucléaire. Cette position, défendue ardemment par Téhéran, inquiète nombre de ses voisins, les Etats-Unis et l’Europe. La France profitera donc du déploiement de son navire amiral pour étaler ses capacités militaires et renforcer ses liens avec les « pays amis ». Ainsi, plusieurs séries d’exercices sont prévues. « Red Shark » se déroulera mi-mars en mer Rouge avec les forces armées saoudiennes. Il sera suivi d’un exercice avec les troupes françaises déployées à Djibouti. En avril, la flotte partira à l’Est et rejoindra la marine indienne pour « Varuna 06 ». Cet exercice sera suivi, en milieu de mois, de « Big Fox », avec l’armée des Emirats Arabes Unis. Des entraînements sont également prévus. A l’issue de ces passex, adex, spontex et autres surfex, le Charles de Gaulle doit réintégrer l’opération Heracles et mener, grâce à son aviation embarquée, des opérations de surveillance en Afghanistan. Le porte-avions avait participé, en 2002, aux frappes aériennes menées par la coalition contre les foyers terroristes. La Marine française, dont l’action avait alors été saluée par Washington était resté sept mois sur place.

Les moyens déployés

Placé sous le commandement opérationnel du Chef d‘état major des armées (CEMA), le contrôle opérationnel est délégué au contre-amiral Xavier Magne, commandant de la TF 473. La force est articulée autour du Charles de Gaulle dont le groupe aérien comprend 14 avions d’assaut Super Etendard, 8 intercepteurs Rafale, 2 avions de surveillance E2 C Hawkeye et 2 hélicoptères Dauphin. L’aviation légère de l’Armée de Terre (ALAT) compte sur le porte-avions un hélicoptère Puma pour les les liaisons logistiques et l’Armée de l’Air un Puma SAR/CSAR ( Search and Rescue / Combat Search and Rescue). Le bâtiment peut assurer toutes les missions de défense aérienne, attaque au sol et lutte antinavire. Son escorte est constituée de la frégate antiaérienne Cassard, de la frégate anti-sous-marine Montcalm et du SNA Saphir. Comme en 2004, la force française intègre un navire britannique, en l’occurrence la frégate britannique HMS Lancaster (Type 23). Le soutien du groupe sera assuré par le bâtiment de commandement et de ravitaillement Somme. En tout, ce sont donc près de 3000 marins, 6 navires et 31 appareils que la France déploiera jusqu’en juin, date du retour à Toulon de la Task Force. A noter que sur place, la Marine nationale est présente au sein de l’opération Enduring Freedom avec la frégate Courbet et l’aviso Enseigne de Vaisseau Jacoubet.

[DEFA550]

Où est le 9ème Rafale ?

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Où est le 9ème Rafale ?

Peut etre laissé à disposition pour la formation des pilotes, ou alors en période d'entretien

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Article du Monde sur le déploiement du CdG : http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3224,36-744760@51-723372,0.html

Article sur le site de la Royal Navy http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.4724

Envieux les british ? "HMS Lancaster will team up with a French Navy task group led by the giant aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle." :lol: 8)

[Aérohélico]

Envieux les british ? "HMS Lancaster will team up with a French Navy task group led by the giant aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle." :lol: 8)

oui en effet, c'est très rare pour les anglais ! C'est pas possible le gars qui a ecrit ca doit avoir des origines francaises !

Le CdG a que 91m de difference avec leurs HMS, pour la longeur et quasiment le double pour la largeur.

Ils nous envient !

Je fais une croix sur le calendrier !

[azaazel]

benissez ce jour messieurs !

[Philippe Top-Force]

oui en effet, c'est très rare pour les anglais ! C'est pas possible le gars qui a ecrit ca doit avoir des origines francaises !

Le CdG a que 91m de difference avec leurs HMS, pour la longeur et quasiment le double pour la largeur.

Ils nous envient !

Je fais une croix sur le calendrier !

:arrow: Si le PAN CDG n'avait que 91 m de différence avec leur PA , :lol: notre Charles ferait 300 m ,un Ark Royal ou Illustrious sont certes petits par rapport au PAN mais ils mesurent quand même 209 m.

Leur frégate Type 23 Lancaster mesurant 133 m est une frégate bien armée.

Vivement qu'ils nous escortent avec une T45 8)

[Aérohélico]

:arrow: Si le PAN CDG n'avait que 91 m de différence avec leur PA

ouai je me suis trompé j'ai pris la longeur du pont d'envol !

alors la longeur des HMS : 194 m

et celle du CdG : 261m

donc ca fait plus que 67 m de difference.

[panajim]

En tout cas dans une semaine la France aura 2 P.A. en Océan Indien ce qui n'est probablement jamais arrivé. En plus les US n'ont que le Reagan sur zone.....c'est qui les meilleurs :lol: :lol: Ok je sors :arrow:

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dossier intéressant sur le déploiement du GAN en Ocean Indien : http://www.armees.com/+La-Royale-part-aujourd-hui-soutenir-les-forces-alliees-en,4033+.html

Extraits choisis :

D’expérience, une partie des interventions d’assaut se limite en fait à des « show forces » (vols d’intimidation). Cependant, les réactions des talibans et éléments d’Al-Qaida (infiltrés principalement par l’Iran et le Pakistan) se sont durcies ces derniers mois. Par deux fois, les Mirage 2000D et Mirage F1CR ont donné du canon et largué leurs bombes guidées laser de 250 kg.

Les armes sont stockées dans une zone étanche (pour des raisons de radioprotection et de conservation des propergols propulsant l’engin) du bord et sous la double garde de la brigade de protection du bord et de gendarmes maritimes, dont la présence est obligatoire en cas d’embarquement d’ASMP.

A plusieurs reprises, les services occidentaux ont été saisis d’alertes évoquant le ciblage de porte-avions américains ou français par Al-QaIda. Et d’autant plus que les Yéménites condamnés sur les dossiers Cole/Limbourg n’ont toujours pas été retrouvés, après leur évasion spectaculaire, le mois dernier

[aeroglinglin]

pour info les 9 rafales sont à bord du PA.

[aeroglinglin]

pour les 9 rafales c simple, toute la flotille est embarquée. de plus qd je les ai vu s'envolé de landi (non je ne bosse pas dessus) ils étaient bien 9 et non pas 8, je les ai compté. Les journalistes disent ce qu'ils veulent, moi je ne crois que ce que vois mes yeux. 8)

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C'est peut etre pour impressioner les saoudiens. Bref un joli message commerciale de la part de la Marine pour Dassault De toute façon, cela nous ferra de belles photos en perspective avec une belle pontée de rafale sur le pont du CdG ! 8)

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Lundi 6 mars 2006 à 03h00 du matin, le porte-avions « Charles de Gaulle », la FAA « Cassard », le HMS « Lancaster » et le PR « Somme » ont embouqué le canal de Suez dans le cadre du déploiement « AGAPANTHE 06 ». La veille, deux autres unités appartenant à la Task Force 473, la FASM « Montcalm » et le SNA « Saphir », ont également cheminé à travers les 163 Km de cette étroite bande d’eau reliant Port Saïd (en Méditerranée) à Suez (en mer Rouge).

undi 6 mars à 16h30, le « Charles de Gaulle» et son escorte sortent de Suez après environ 14 heures de navigation en eaux resserrées. La traversée de l’Isthme de Suez marque l’entrée en mer Rouge et le rassemblement des bâtiments de la TF 473.

Les jours à venir seront marqués par l’exercice franco-saoudien « RED SHARK » en Mer Rouge. Cet exercice est principalement destiné à renforcer la coopération avec l’Arabie Saoudite, pays clé au cœur d’une zone marquée par des trafics en tous genres (drogue, traite humaine, armes…).

Sources : Marine Nationale

D'autres articles sont disponibles sur la mission Agapanthe 2006 : http://www.defense.gouv.fr/sites/marine/decouverte/missions/sommaire/

Un truc sympas : le marathon du CdG !

A l’occasion du franchissement du Canal de Suez le 6 mars dernier, un événement original a été organisé à bord du porte-avions Charles de Gaulle : les « 6 heures de Suez ».

Regroupés en équipes de dix personnes (masculines, féminines et mixtes), 430 membres de l’équipage, du groupe aérien embarqué et de l’état-major, du matelot à l’amiral, ont participé à une course de relais sur le pont d’envol.

L’objectif : courir la plus longue distance possible avec au minimum trois tours de pont par personne.

Afin de réduire l’exposition des participants au soleil, il a été convenu que l’épreuve débuterait à 4h45 heure locale. C’est tôt ! Pourtant, rythmés par une musique entraînante, les coureurs ont battu des records.

Les vainqueurs, l’équipe « protec », ont parcouru pas moins de 104,12 kilomètres !

L’équipe féminine, elle, a su tenir sa place, en courant 70,12 kilomètres.

La meilleure équipe mixte a, quant à elle, effectué 96,9 kilomètres.

Mais l’essentiel est ailleurs. Cette manifestation sympathique, aux allures de fête, a surtout été l’occasion de vivre des instants magiques, et surtout de resserrer les liens qui unissent tous les membres de l’équipage.

Aspirant Wassilieff

:lol: 8)

[Chris.]

et bien la croisière s'amuse :lol: :twisted:

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et bien la croisière s'amuse :lol: :twisted:

De toute facon pendant les 14 heures que prend le passage du canal de suez, toutes les opérations aériennes ne peuvent avoir lieu, donc que veux tu que les marins fassent ????

En plus, c'est bon pour le moral de l'équipage mais aussi pour sa forme physique :lol:

[Chris.]

je rigole, c'est bien de divertir les troupes de temps en temps. :D C'est comme un immense pique-nique sur le pont d'un des PA US lors d'une journée sans vol. :lol: