Eurofighter

[Invité Rob]

Le FT confirme, jusqu'a 72 encore pour l'Arabie-Saoudite.

Saudi Arabia Eyes More BAE Eurofighter Jets

agence france-presse

Published: 11 Aug 09:42 EDT (13:42 GMT)

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LONDON - Saudi Arabia has begun discussions to buy a second batch of Eurofighter Typhoon jets from BAE Systems and could double its fleet to 144, the Financial Times said Aug. 11.

"The Gulf kingdom could buy up to 72 more of the multirole aircraft, an adviser to the Saudi government confirmed [sunday] night," the FT added.

BAE and Saudi Arabia last year signed a 4.43 billion-pound deal to supply 72 Eurofighter Typhoon planes to Riyadh.

Link.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3668662&c=MID&s=TOP

[P4]

L'Arabie Saoudite va avoir plus de Typhoon que la RAF.

[Will]

Eh bien, si il y a vraiment encore 72 pour les saudis et 24 pour les omanis, ca sera tres bon, enough said  ;)

[P4]

Le tout(48+72+24+....) produit en Arabie Saoudite.

[Will]

Le tout(48+72+24+....) produit en Arabie Saoudite.

Ils les assemblent la bas sur une ligne qui va etre ouvert, oui (sauf les premiers 24). Il est logique que si ils achentent plus ca sera la aussi ou ils seront assemble.

C est inteligent des saudis car cela rentabilise plus leur assembly line.

[PolluxDeltaSeven]

Quelles sont les rumeurs pour les Typhoon à Oman? C'est pour remplacer les Jaguar?

[Will]

Quelles sont les rumeurs pour les Typhoon à Oman? C'est pour remplacer les Jaguar?

Il semble, on entends souvent le chiffre pour 24 avions ce moment.

La RAF va envoi des Typhoons la pour exercice Magic Carpet en 2009 si j ai compris.

On ne va pas compte combien on a de poules avant qu ils sors des oeufs, mais ceci me semble une perspective tres credible =)

[PolluxDeltaSeven]

Moi de même.

J'ai toujours dit que le Typhoon me semblait être un candidat naturel pour un bon paquet de petits états riches du Golfe qui mettent le paquet sur la défense territoriale plus que sur la frappe en profondeur. Je le verrais bien au Koweit aussi moi, même si on peut parier que le lobbying US fera tout pour y placer le Super Hornet ou le F-35.

[P4]

Ils les assemblent la bas sur une ligne qui va etre ouvert, oui (sauf les premiers 24). Il est logique que si ils achentent plus ca sera la aussi ou ils seront assemble.

C est inteligent des saudis car cela rentabilise plus leur assembly line.

Les 24 auquels je faisais référence ne sont pas ceux de la première commande, ce serait ceux des Omanis, parce qu'a mon avis(petit), l'Arabie Saoudite va acheter les droits éxports sur un certains nombre de pays, préférentiellement musulman, on pourrait voir des Typhoon au Pakistan, en Indonésie, autant dire partout ou l'argent Saoudien coule/ra à flot.

[Invité Rob]

L'Arabie Saoudite va avoir plus de Typhoon que la RAF.

Je suis tres bon en mathematique et je doit dire que 232 (RAF) est plus grand que 144 (RSAF).  =)

Le tout(48+72+24+....) produit en Arabie Saoudite.

Les Saudis font l'assemblage final, pas la production. En moment ils sont tres loin d'etre capable de produire un Typhoon sans les grand 'Legos' de l'Europe. Je doute que les Omanis veulent leurs Typhoons d'un ligne Saudi. Les relations Britanniques-Omanis sont plus meilleur que Saudi-Omani (qui ne sont pas tres bon). L'Oman a eu des problemes avec les Saudis et leur territoire jusqu'a 1991. Mais, si un ligne arabe pour Kuwait, etc... aide les ventes du Typhoon, je suis pour ca.

[mills]

Par rapport a l Arabie Saoudite, je sais qu une très grande majorité de la population n a pas la nationalité saoudienne. Dès lors ont ils réellement un pool de pilote saoudiens assez nombreux pouvant  prendre en main un nombre si important de jet ?

[Zamorana]

Ils emploient des mercenaires pour piloter leurs avions, pakistanais, jordanien, egyptiens.

[jérôme]

ils devraient embauché des anciens  pilote de chasse français !!!!

[pascal]

c'est bcp plus proche e la vérité que tu ne l'imagine...

Dans les pays du Golfe des sociétés US françaises anglaises emploient d'anciens militaires pour la maintenance des avions la formation ...

C'est le cas des français de chez Airco qui EN PLUS emploient des gars de l'active en postion de détavhement (payés par leur nouvel employeur mais toujours sur les tablettes de l'Adla)

Je ne dis pas que çà concerne des pilotes d'active mais pourquoi pas des anciens

Otelli était n° 2 des "marche verte" la patrouille acrobatique marocaine

[LordAssap]

UK tries to offload Typhoon fighters

By Stephen Fidler, Sylvia Pfeifer and Alex Barker

Published: August 19 2008 23:31 | Last updated: August 19 2008 23:40

Talks have been held with countries including Japan about offloading large numbers of Eurofighter Typhoons that the British Ministry of Defence has ordered but can no longer afford.

The talks, which officials say are at an early stage, underline the scale of the cash crisis facing the MoD as it grapples with an estimated budget deficit of £2bn.

The Royal Air Force, which had ordered 144 Eurofighters in two earlier contracts, is committed to buying another 88 as part of its membership of the Eurofighter consortium with Germany, Italy and Spain.

Severe financial penalties would be incurred for cancelling or cutting this number and the UK is sounding out potential buyers for all or part of its order.

Defence officials have confirmed that Japan, Saudi Arabia and India are among countries that have expressed interest.

Japan’s interest will surprise many in the industry as it has tended in the past to buy more aircraft from US manufacturers.

India, which has in the past bought Russian fighters, has made no secret of its ambition to expand its indigenous defence capabilities and is evaluating bids from five groups, including Eurofighter, for a new multi-role combat aircraft.

India’s tender could be a lucrative order for the consortium. In order to divert aircraft intended for the RAF to India, the UK would need approval from its consortium partners. The transfer of sensitive military technology is likely to be another potential hurdle.

The Saudi Royal Air Force has 72 Typhoons on order from the UK under an agreement signed last September, to be built by BAE Systems, the arms contractor. Separately, Riyadh has begun talks with London to buy between 48 and 72 additional Typhoons, a source close to the Saudi government confirmed.

The initial BAE order, known as Project Salam, was worth £4.3bn for the aircraft, with the contract value likely to rise to £20bn once support and maintenance are included.

Any agreement on offloading the RAF Eurofighters is unlikely to be reached until next year.

The MoD said: “We would not comment on government-to-government discussions, even to confirm that such discussions are taking place.”

The sounding of potential buyers comes as the four partner nations in the consortium remain locked in difficult negotiations over whether each must buy the same number of aircraft from the group as agreed originally.

Both the UK and Italy asked late last year what it would cost to buy fewer aircraft than agreed initially or none at all, but both options were regarded as unworkable because they would incur such a high financial penalty.

The Eurofighter contract, designed to discourage countries such as Germany from cutting back orders, is written so tightly that it would be almost as cheap to take delivery of the aircraft as to incur the penalties.

Ministry under fire: recent FT headlines

January

‘MPs warn on military stretch’ – army unable to take on fresh operations because of Iraq and Afghanistan

‘MoD may delay aircraft carrier contract’ – ministry struggles to meet Treasury demands for swingeing cuts

March

‘Military spending plans under fire’ – annual cost of Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns to double to more than £3bn this year

April

‘MoD fast-tracks procurement to aid war effort’ – drive to get new equipment to the frontline

May ‘Compensation blow to MoD’ – sending soldiers into battle with defective gear may breach human rights

June

‘Army overhaul to fight budget crisis’ – review by general staff considers cuts in battle tanks and heavy artillery pieces ‘Cuts sink navy plans for two more destroyers’ – cost-cutting sees end to plans for two extra Type 45 destroyers worth £1.4bn

July

‘MoD awards 10 tortured Iraqis nearly £3m damages’ – payout and apology follow long legal battle

‘Military unable to meet objectives’ – MoD says 60 per cent of the military report serious obstacles to rapid deployment on new missions

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/144f2f38-6e2e-11dd-b5df-0000779fd18c.html?nclick_check=1

[TMor]

Remise en ligne (pas encore au poil pour moi) du forum :

http://www.starstreak.net/typhoon/forum/index.php  ;)

[LordAssap]

  C'est pas encore Noel pour le MoD... O0

[jeanmi]

Londres chercherait à revendre des Eurofighter au Japon, selon le FT

Londres a proposé à plusieurs Etats, dont le Japon, d’acquérir des avions de chasse Eurofighter commandés par le ministère britannique de la Défense mais que celui-ci n’aurait plus les moyens de payer, affirme mercredi le Financial Times (FT).

[jérôme]

ces peut être le moment pour l'ada de proposé des mirage  d'occasion a la raf !!! :P :P :P  t'en pense quoi robert ?:lol: :lol:

[Will]

Je me permet de repandre un peu de "perfide propaganda" (source MoD).

Typhoon offload and claims of MOD budget crisis

The Financial Times has reported that the MOD has been in talks with other countries to "offload" Eurofighter Typhoons that it has ordered but can no longer afford. The FT says that this underlines "the scale of the cash crisis facing the MOD as it grapples with an estimated budget deficit of £2 billion".

The MOD remains in discussions with the Eurofighter Partners on Tranche 3. No final decisions have been made by the MOD on Tranche 3. We will not comment on Government-to-Government discussions, even to confirm that discussions are taking place. The MOD's current budget of £33.4 billion is one of the largest in the world. Since 1997 the MOD has seen the longest period of sustained real growth in defence spending for over 30 years. And it is set to increase by a further £7.7bn over the next three years. We are acutely aware of the dangers that the troops on current operations face everyday. That is why providing the right level of resources to support our armed forces on operations is our top priority, as our actions show – providing new and better protected patrol vehicles, increasing helicopter capability and procuring the latest technology weapons systems, including Unmanned Aerial Vehicles. On the ground our people say that they have never been as well equipped as now, echoing the view of the Chiefs of Staff. While our focus remains heavily on today's operations, the MOD is also preparing for tomorrow's threats and challenges to be able to meet a broad range of scenarios. So while we are buying the capabilities we need today, we are also making the major long-term investments needed to ensure that our armed forces of all three services remain among the best equipped in the world.

[LordAssap]

@Will

  Bien sur!

  Il faut des sources donnant des informations des deux cotes de la balance.

  Ce serait mieux avec un lien tout de meme...

[TMor]

Ce serait mieux avec un lien tout de meme...

http://www.blogs.mod.uk/defence_news/2008/week34/index.html#entry-54390114

[Captain Pif]

ils devraient embauché des anciens  pilote de chasse français !!!!

C'était le cas en Lyvie, il y a une vingtaine d'années...

Et perso, j'ai toujours eu un doute quant à la nationalité des pilotes des SUE "loués" à l'Irak en 1983...

[Darkjmfr]

Je viens de tomber sur ça: http://www.ausairpower.net/typhoon.html

A prendre avec des pincettes, c'est un think thank. Mais ça pourrait être un des rares avis neutres dipos (l'article a régulièrement été mis à jour).

[TMor]

(l'article a régulièrement été mis à jour).

Je ne pense pas non. Les mises à jour sur l'ensemble du site, possible. Mais pas l'article là, en tout cas, j'ai bien du mal à voir ce qu'il y a de nouveau depuis 3 ans.

Exemples :

-le canon de la RAF

Non-RAF Typhoons will carry a single Mauser 27 mm cannon, the MoD having decided to delete the gun from RAF aircraft.

-le témoignage du pilote de F/A-18

An experienced F/A-18 pilot who flew the Typhoon simulator commented to the author that the aircraft's manoeuvre/handling performance did not appear to be a dramatic improvement over the F/A-18, and rudder authority at high AoA did not match the F/A-18. It is however possible that further refinement of the flight control software could have yielded handling improvements since the mid nineties.

etc...

:P