Rafale and other european jets [English only]

[TMor]

Hum, vous cherchez vraiment la baston...

 

=)

 

Est-ce que Pollux est d'accord ? N'y a-t-il pas des petites choses à modifier ou enlever ?

(par exemple, remplacer SER par RCS (radar cross section)

(remplacer Tmor par TMor) (oh punaise, je suis cité dans ce texte ! )

[prof.566]

Moi j'aime bien les coups de pied dans les fourmillières...

[Claudio Lopez]

Ce serait bien de le balancer mais il faudrait que le texte soit entouré d'une task force air defensienne motivés et prête à aller au combat :)

Comme avec les chevaliers d'or, le combat risque de durer 1000 jours et 1000 nuits.

Sans compter tout les troll compulsifs qui seront juste là pour nous épuiser. ..

[prof.566]

j'y suis, j'y reste!

[Rufus Shinra]

Est-ce que je pourrais avoir l'autorisation de le balancer sur Spacebattles ? Au moins, les retours risquent d'être un poil plus constructifs là-bas. ^^

[iborg]

Flûte oui, RCS, je savais qu'il y avait une traduction pour SER mais je ne sais pas pourquoi elle ne m'était pas revenue en tête... Je vais mettre ça que le compte de la chaleur...

[prof.566]

Pour l'instant ca se passe assez bien du coté de keypub... Lukos doit être en vacances...

[TMor]

Pilots' tales

[DrSomnath999]

There it is, full transition of PD7's huge Bourget article !

 

 

Thanks iborg 

 

p.S this thread was for english then why the hell people are posting in french

 

as if this thread's  french content post cant be translated in google by me  :oops:  

 

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Modifié le 9 juillet 2015 par DrSomnath999

[DrSomnath999]

Precision and Purpose: Airpower in the Libyan Civil War

(Source: RAND Corporation; issued July 09, 2015)

 

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR600/RR676/RAND_RR676.pdf

 

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[DrSomnath999]

Here's how many planes the Royal Air Force has available to fight Isil Britain could carry out air strikes in Syria - but with what aircraft?

     

575

     

80

     

0

     

0

     

655

 

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Militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) driving on a street at unknown location in the Salaheddin province, north of Baghdad Photo: Getty

 

By Asa Bennett

12:42PM BST 03 Jul 2015

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Britain could soon be launching air strikes against Isil in Syria within months.

But as the defence budget won't be spared from the government's spending cuts drive, how easily could the RAF handle making this extra intervention?

Using official figures, compiled by the Royal United Services Institute, we get a sense of how many planes Britain's air force has available to be called in for action at short notice.

Some planes may not be immediately available for action though, being tied up in other engagements, or in other cases being repaired and upgraded. Here's how these planes break down in terms of availability.

• Fraser Nelson: Strikes in Syria are meaningless if we keep slashing our military

The Ministry of Defence can be coy about exact figures for security reasons, so figures like how many unmanned aerial "Reaper" drones there are rough estimates. However, some are already conducting strikes in Iraq and surveillance operations in Syria, so they're already proving their use.

Despite the number of Eurofighters available for use, and their capability for air-to-ground warfare, they wouldn't be quite as useful as the other types of aircraft.

Justin Bronk, a research analyst at RUSI, explains: "The Typhoon would be less flexible than the tornado because it can't use the brimstone missile, which is both extremely accurate and has low collateral."

If Britain started air strikes on Isil in Syria, Bronk suggests it would expand where its existing airplanes were operating - looking at Tornado aircraft and Reaper drones - rather than devoting scores of new aircraft."

"It would be a huge change for the RAF at the moment to significantly uplift what they're doing in the region."

^{Eurofighter Typhoon}

The figures show that Britain has around 126 Eurofighter Typhoons in operation, with 40 of those available to be called up swiftly. 32 of those are based in the UK for domestic defence, while 4 of them are patrolling the Falklands, and a further 4 helping Nato's air-policing mission over the three Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

The Ministry of Defence has paid for 160 Typhoons in total, so it has yet to get its hands on estimated 40 more planes.

^{Tornado aircraft}

What about the numbers of Panavia Tornado aircraft? The figures suggest Britain has around 104 of these planes, which it first used to back in the 1991 Gulf War. Some of them are now based in Cyprus, being used to conduct strikes on Isil extremists in Iraq.

The Tornado fleet at RAF Marham, including those employed on operations overseas are organised in an aircraft pool from which air craft can be drawn, rather than permanently allotted to specific squadrons

 ^{A Reaper}

If Britain decided to devote less manpower, it could use its fleet of Reaper drones to carry out air strikes on Isil in Syria. RUSI estimates we have around 12 of the drones, with 6 quickly availiable at any moment.

Here is a longer list of the RAF's range of airpower, as released by ministers in a parliamentary answer back in 2012 .

 

Aircraft type  In-service fleet (no)  C-17  7  Chinook Mk 2/2a and Mk 3  46  Hawk T1/T1A/T1W and T2  157  Hercules  32  King Air  5  Merlin Mk 3/3A  28  Puma  31  Sea King  25  Sentinel  5  Sentry  6  Tornado GR4  136  Tri-Star  8  Tucano  91  Typhoon  86  VC10  9  Vigilant  65  Viking T1  82 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11715604/Heres-how-many-planes-the-Royal-Air-Force-has-available-to-fight-Isil.html

[DrSomnath999]

regarding the RAND article

 

i think the article is an usual Yankis smear campaign article against french 

 

wrong infos have been published 

 

1) Only SA-8  sams were destroyed by RAFALe which might not be true

 as SA -3 & SA -6  sams were also destroyed by rafale 

 

2) the article didnot mention about SCALP ALCM launched by rafale during those sead missions

 

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Modifié le 9 juillet 2015 par DrSomnath999

[fox49]

http://www.air-defense.net/forum/topic/21-linde/?p=884374

 

 

Selon la newsletter française " Intelligence en ligne ", malgré le fait que les négociations sont toujours sous contrat pour l'achat de 36 combattant indien Dassault Rafale (bien qu'il ait été annoncé en Avril), deux société partenaire local" Consortium Rafale "(composé de sociétés Dassault Aviation, Thales et Safran), autorisée par le gouvernement de l'Inde, Reliance Industries Ltd (RIL) et Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) veulent bousiller à la taille maximale des obligations de compensation.

 

 Initialement, le niveau était de 20% de la valeur du contrat, mais à ce jour, le montant des versements de compensation jusqu'à la moitié du total. Dans le schéma proposé, RIL est aujourd'hui un partenaire industriel de Dassault pour la production de kits et HAL est responsable de l'intégration de tous les composants.

 

 

According to the French newsletter "Intelligence Online," despite the fact that negotiations are still undergoing for the purchase of 36 Indian fighter Dassault Rafale (although it was announced in April), two local partner company "Consortium Rafale" (composed of companies Dassault Aviation, Thales and Safran), authorized by the Government of India, Reliance Industries Ltd (RIL) and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) want to get the maximum size of offset obligations.

 

  Initially, the level was 20% of the contract value, but to date, the amount of offset payments up to half of the total. In the proposed scheme, RIL is now a Dassault industrial partner for the production of kits and HAL is responsible for the integration of all components.

 

 

with : http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1376383.html

 

is this endless...

[Gallium nitride]

regarding the RAND article

 

i think the article is an usual Yankis smear campaign article against french 

 

wrong infos have been published 

 

1) Only SA-8  sams were destroyed by RAFALe which might not be true

 as SA -3 & SA -6  sams were also destroyed by rafale 

 

2) the article didnot mention about SCALP ALCM launched by rafale during those sead missions

 

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I didn't read exactly as you did.

This report attempts to be as exhaustive as possible and sometimes contradicted on some details but it seems to try to be as neutral as possible. The conclusions are rather in favor of the French perspective.

As regards SAMs and  SCALP:

 

"French forces used many capabilities not previously employed in combat. The navy and the air force for the first time fired SCALP cruise missiles (the French version of the British Storm Shadow), with the first raid carried out jointly by the air force (Mirages and Rafales) and the navy (Rafales), firing a total of seven cruise missiles against Al-Joufra air base 250 kilometers into Libya in order to demonstrate there was no safe haven for pro-Qaddafi forces".

 

"In their post-war assessment, the French point at this first strike to downplay their reliance on U.S. assets for SEAD. This assessment is correct for this particular raid, since no losses occurred. Libyan air defenses nonetheless identified the French raid and engaged it with an SA-8 surface-to-air missile system, which fortunately was out of range."

 

and a troublesome detail to our English friends:

 

"HMS Ocean could only accommodate five Apaches because of the helicopter’s rotor size (the blades cannot be folded), so storing and retrieving Apaches became a major limiting factor on the extent of their contribution to the operation. In addition, the Apaches required a disproportionately large amount of ISR support to ensure their safety and the accuracy of their attacks. Finally, the UK’s ROE meant the Apaches did not have the freedom of maneuver that the French Tigre crews enjoyed, and one of the reasons the Apache sortie total was comparatively small is because most of the “no-go” decisions were due to uncertainties over collateral damage risk. So, while the Apaches’ attacks complemented those of the French Tigres, they could not match the French level of sortie generation..."

[DrSomnath999]

I didn't read exactly as you did.

This report attempts to be as exhaustive as possible and sometimes contradicted on some details but it seems to try to be as neutral as possible. The conclusions are rather in favor of the French perspective.

 

 

may be you should say that to him as some dont think that way like you think 

http://indiandefence.com/threads/libyan-civil-war-airpower-report.54924/

 

 

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[Gallium nitride]

may be you should say that to him as some dont think that way like you think 

http://indiandefence.com/threads/libyan-civil-war-airpower-report.54924/

 

 

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Dear DrSomnath, I'm sorry, I appreciate very much your work here or elsewhere but I have the motto "do not feed the trolls". I would like to speak on the site Indian Defence but it is unfortunately squatted by a handful of disrespectful people, bad faith and worthy of no interest. I do not understand why their statements are not moderated as they are often at the limit of public insult.

Returning to the report, this kind of people have always maintained that no French aircraft had penetrated the Libyan space before SEAD and now that this assertion is officially denied, they are trying to diminish the importance of the operation. But the facts are there, the French where there while the air defenses were in place and whatever be the number of strikes, they did the job, they stopped the bad guys.

[DrSomnath999]

FROM AFRICAN AEROSPACE APRIL/JUNE 2015

 

[DrSomnath999]

FROM BIZ @ INDIA ISSUE  NO 24 JUNE 2015

 

 

 

 

[rogue0]

Pour l'article en anglais, j'ai envoyé quelques corrections en MP

[DrSomnath999]

French refuse to Integrate Indian Weapons systems in Rafale jet

Published August 17, 2015 | By admin

SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK (INN)

While French government have rejected Indian negotiators’ demand for a 50 per cent offset clause, citing sharp cost escalation but were keen on Make in India initiative of Prime minister Modi, What likely could be deal breaker for Indian military planners could be French refusal to integrate Indian developed weapons system in french build Rafale jet .

French negotiation team want separate Research and development agreement which can look into Indian request but have promised it can only be taken up few years down the line after deliveries for ordered 36 jets start.

India wants to integrate its own indigenously developed Astra Beyond visual range missile (BVRAAM) developed by DRDO and later integration of longer Astra II BVR missile which is still under development.

Sources close to idrw.org believe, Integration was not just limited to Astra BVR missiles but there were firm plans also to integrate other weapons systems like Air launched variant of Smaller BrahMos NG, Shorter Nirbhay air-launched cruise missile (ALCM) and precision-guided munition under development in India.

Defense Experts believe that Indian team might have asked for Source code of RBE2-AA Aesa radar system used in Rafale jet, So integration can take place in India with little help from French team instead of India depending on French Company to integrate Indian weapons systems and also avoid large Research and development fund requested by France.

50 per cent offset clause and transfer of technology including Source code transfer of RBE2-AA Aesa radar system was part of the original tender that was floated for 126 fighter jets, but with orders of only 36 aircrafts currently under negotiation, French team don’t see merit in providing Source code of RBE2-AA Aesa radar system .

http://idrw.org/french-refuse-to-integrate-indian-weapons-systems-in-rafale-jet/

[Kovy]

Defense Experts believe that Indian team might have asked for Source code of RBE2-AA Aesa radar system used in Rafale jet, So integration can take place in India with little help from French team instead of India depending on French Company to integrate Indian weapons systems and also avoid large Research and development fund requested by France.

50 per cent offset clause and transfer of technology including Source code transfer of RBE2-AA Aesa radar system was part of the original tender that was floated for 126 fighter jets, but with orders of only 36 aircrafts currently under negotiation, French team don’t see merit in providing Source code of RBE2-AA Aesa radar system .

http://idrw.org/french-refuse-to-integrate-indian-weapons-systems-in-rafale-jet/

 

 

Obviously you can't ask for the same conditions for an order of 36 vs an order of 126.

[Rufus Shinra]

Amen. The balance of power has switched back in Dassault's favour and India should well swallow its pride, because meanwhile, China and Pakistan are getting AESA-equipped planes of their own.

[DrSomnath999]

Obviously you can't ask for the same conditions for an order of 36 vs an order of 126.

thats why france are luring india for Make in india program instead of 50 % offset with a motive to get more orders.

 

if they do that it's confirmed india might order more than 36 in future

 

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[DrSomnath999]

Amen. The balance of power has switched back in Dassault's favour and India should well swallow its pride, because meanwhile, China and Pakistan are getting AESA-equipped planes of their own.

LOLZZ

 

 indians have already gone for upgrades of SU30mki which would be boasting AESA radar .

 

plus india is planning to induct LCA mark1 with isreali aesa radar as LCA mark2 would take quite some time .

 

plUS PAK-fa program would also be accelertated by 2020/21 india would start recieving 1st pak-fa planes of it;'s own

 

 

Since when did pakistan getting aesa equipped planes , JF block 2 wont have aesa radar i have confirmed that in pak forums 

 

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[Picdelamirand-oil]

LOLZZ

 

 indians have already gone for upgrades of SU30mki which would be boasting AESA radar .

 

plus india is planning to induct LCA mark1 with isreali aesa radar as LCA mark2 would take quite some time .

 

plUS PAK-fa program would also be accelertated by 2020/21 india would start recieving 1st pak-fa planes of it;'s own

 

 

Since when did pakistan getting aesa equipped planes , JF block 2 wont have aesa radar i have confirmed that in pak forums 

 

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You are exposing here all Indian dreams! but you forget that time is slower in India than in the rest of the world. If you still buy foreign equipments it's because when you buy an Equipment you buy both Equipment and time.