Rafale and other european jets [English only]

[Scarabé]

The best in the world. Noting else!!!!!

[DrSomnath999]

Growl & grumble 

from AW& ST Nov 17 2014

 

 

& off the record

during 2012 Nato MACE  XIII exercise in slovakia  some interesting revelations 

http://www.russiadefence.net/t2447-mace-xiii-against-sa-10-aka-s300#29136

http://ultimaratio-blog.org/fr/archives/5749

[HK]

DrSomnath,

I agree, the Pollack article is wrong. Pollack doesn't understand that FCAS is not a single platform, but a system of manned and unmanned platforms.

This is explained on slide 5 of the official presentation on SCAF (French for FCAS):

http://www.amgroupes.fr/admin/compte_rendus/697_compte_rendu.pdf

The manned FCAS platform(s) will be current generation aircraft (an upgraded Rafale + F-35). The unmanned UCAV platform will do the heavy lifting, forcing the enemy to expose itself and thus allowing the manned fighters to use situational awareness and network tactics to win the fight from standoff range, using Meteor and cruise missiles.

Hence the fundamental misunderstanding... The manned component of FCAS will NOT be a 6th generation fighter... because this would defeat the purpose of developing a UCAV.

Basically the Russian, Chinese and Indian forumers are all excited about the prospect of developing 6th generation fighters, but they don't realize that everyone else is hoping to leapfrog the 6th generation, with 7th generation UCAVs...

Modifié le 16 novembre 2014 par HK

[prof.566]

Wow great ppt! Thx HK!

[DrSomnath999]

DrSomnath,

I agree, the Pollack article is wrong. Pollack doesn't understand that FCAS is not a single platform, but a system of manned and unmanned platforms.

Basically the Russian, Chinese and Indian forumers are all excited about the prospect of developing 6th generation fighters, but they don't realize that everyone else is hoping to leapfrog the 6th generation, with 7th generation UCAVs...

Bonjour

 

well nothing new about pollock  it is his usual  stuff when he writes his articles in AIN online .com

seen before also when he posted the over optimistic article about GaN modules for Captor E aesa radar in future

 

which even recent typhoon consortium marketing brochures even didnt mention about GaN in it's future road map for Captor -E

aesa radar

 

what you have posted is indeed the fact which i have also stated before that FCAS would be based on UCAV not a new manned

fighter

 

but i like to tell you it's 5th gen fighter basically not 6th gen as US have recently been developing their 6th gen fighter secretly to replace  raptor in future 

 

7th GEN fighter is a way distant thing

 

 

 

CHEERS

[Coriace]

Bonjour

 

well nothing new about pollock  it is his usual  stuff when he writes his articles in AIN online .com

seen before also when he posted the over optimistic article about GaN modules for Captor E aesa radar in future

 

which even recent typhoon consortium marketing brochures even didnt mention about GaN in it's future road map for Captor -E

aesa radar

 

what you have posted is indeed the fact which i have also stated before that FCAS would be based on UCAV not a new manned

fighter

 

but i like to tell you it's 5th gen fighter basically not 6th gen as US have recently been developing their 6th gen fighter secretly to replace  raptor in future 

 

7th GEN fighter is a way distant thing

 

 

 

CHEERS

 

 

This is about doctrine. Nothing else. 

The idea at the end of Cold War was "we need air superiority" (and so came the Typhoon and the Raptor), in France it was " we need to be able to deal with whatever is in the other team" and so came the Rafale. The French doctrine was better this times.

 

For tomorrow, the doctrine of some richs countries is (note the similarities) "we need air superiority, strong muscles, big eyes" and the doctrine of not-so-rich countries is "We know the structural problems of big brawlers, we want a solution we allow us to deal with them, and to be able to struggle with low intensities opposition" (using passive spotting, focusing high technology on a part of the air fleet). 

 

Btw nowadays the Rafale is the good solution for big power wannabe (not that expensive, tech transfer, state of the western art), but no one can say that his future brother French/Euro made will be the good one. And if a European politic speak about 2030, you can sleep on your ears at least until 2045 haha.

[Picdelamirand-oil]

[DrSomnath999]

^^^ PIC

 

now WTH is that man!!

 

is it something special

 

BTW is IDF down or what cant access it

 

CHEERS

[Picdelamirand-oil]

^^^ PIC

 

now WTH is that man!!

 

is it something special

 

BTW is IDF down or what cant access it

 

CHEERS

I can't access too.

The signature is "Ronald Reagan"

[DrSomnath999]

Good news for TYPHOON fanboys

 

Captor E aesa radar  development deal is signed

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141119/DEFREG01/311190045/Eurofighter-Nations-Sign-1-Billion-Development-Deal-AESA-Radar

 

but still they  dont want to predict any definite timeline for it's induction into the partner states

 

so by default one can assume 2017 would be safest bet at the moment

 

but meanwhile france have already signed the developmental contract for advanced capabilty of RBE 2 aesa radar 

i.e PASSIVE RADAR(ESM) , ELECTRONIC ATTACK 

 

 

CHEERS

[DrSomnath999]

GUYS 

 

any news about denmark fighter replacement 

 

qatar rumours are flying every where in media 

 

CHEERS

[DrSomnath999]

 insider sources what i got info is that Indians  would be having some isreali systems on rafale 

 

hmm so litening targeting pod  might not be the only thing IAF are interested

 

dont know what else ??/

 

CHEERS

[Picdelamirand-oil]

 insider sources what i got info is that Indians  would be having some isreali systems on rafale 

 

hmm so litening targeting pod  might not be the only thing IAF are interested

 

dont know what else ??/

 

CHEERS

 

Python, Derby?

[DrSomnath999]

OK!! 

latest issue of FOX 3 issue NOV 2014 is out now 
enjoy!! 
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae/sponsors/sponsor_rafale/img/fox3_18.pdf

too lazy to post snipped pics man!!

 

why i am so awesome on providing info to the forums  i just cant understand ??


CHEERS

[DrSomnath999]

Python, Derby?

naaahhhh!!!

 

something else  ,

 

 

 

i cant say clearly at the moment .

 

some sort of PGMs 

 

fine for me to disclose such things in french forum

CHEERS

[Picdelamirand-oil]

naaahhhh!!!

 

something else  ,

 

 

 

i cant say clearly at the moment .

 

some sort of PGMs 

 

fine for me to disclose such things in french forum

CHEERS

Spice?

[DrSomnath999]

Spice?

ami !

 

just wait for India MMRCA  deal to be signed 

 

only i think i am sure that Litening is not the only isreali system IAF is interested some thing else

 

may be something else 

 

PGM may be a hint by the IAF techincal officer might be something else but he confirmed litening is not the only thing INDIAN rafale would be having

 

CHEERS

[DrSomnath999]

From AWST nov 24 2014

 

[fox49]

:D  Too much optimism in one article, need to refrain in this sentence.

[DrSomnath999]

:D  Too much optimism in one article, need to refrain in this sentence.

LOLZZ

 

was it a sarcasm if yes then it's a nice one

 

so you beleive that Typhoon cant even induct it's aesa  radar  in next decade also

 

CHEERS

[fox49]

Thanks, 

 

I won’t be so negative about Typhoon, it's just a good plane with bad customer. 

 

So for the curent decade let’s seen which one will pay first. (My bet on GB)

[DrSomnath999]

some snipped pics from FOX3 nov 2014 issue

[DrSomnath999]

From RAF ANNUAL REVIEW 2015

 

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[DrSomnath999]

ZT China's latest F-80 air to air missiles

 

Any idea what is this air to air missile????

i am posting from chinese defence forum

These outline the details, we can generally infer that this is an infrared-guided medium range air to air missiles, from its number F-80 speculated that the range may be 80 km. It should be installed to guide the head in the head, through the octagonal tapered optical observation window forward. The reason for using an octagonal cone head, it is in order to take into account the need to drag and does not affect the infrared optical observations. If you want to achieve, "the distance" range, then it should be equipped with a data link, in the first half of the flight data link flight and inertial guidance in close and then opened a wide field of view infrared seeker search target. The performance of its high estimate seeker can be found on the target about 20 kilometers away. That is, except the last active radar seeker to search for the target to open the boot infrared search system to find the target outside its operational processes and classes should be active radar guided AIM-120 air missiles of the same. This shows that the company has successfully developed excellent performance infrared optical system. The emergence of the gas rudder may indicate that the missile uses a two-speed system, in the last paragraph can then start flying rocket engine to track the target, or it may indicate that it take into account the need for close combat. Because in general, the maximum range of the missile from a rocket engine fuel already depleted by coasting, then of course, utterly useless gas rudder. 

This missile is clearly directed at the target to go stealth, and the US Navy developed AIM-9X Block3 or PL-10 missile similar ideas in the aircraft industry, are locked up with a high-performance infrared guided radar stealth targets. But the F-80 to go further and start to try to develop a high-performance infrared seeker rather than the mid-range radar seeker missiles, China and the US over the previous two missiles were farther. Not only can be used to play stealth machine, too, can play a non-stealth aircraft. If the development is successful, the missile can almost be said to create a new era. 

 

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.co.in&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1934470-1-1.html&usg=ALkJrhg6hQu3_KmRDXYO8tgTYave5-ru-A

 

LOOks very sci -fi 

Is init??

Is it for chinese 5th gen fighters ??

 

P.S [ deino] aka andreas ruppcheat from key pub forum should include this in it's article in air force monthly/combat aircraft magazine 

CHEERS

[DrSomnath999]

recent flurry of activties from Typhoon side really catches my attention

 

1st captor E radar signing

 

2nd meteor testing 

 

3rd cruise missile integeration 

 

hmm they are in damn hurry

 

May be still beleiving 

" IF SOMETHING HAPPENS WE CAN be  BACK IN  the GAME" :lol:

 

CHEERS

Modifié le 12 décembre 2014 par DrSomnath999