[Camouflage] Infanterie

[Gibbs le Cajun]

C'est peut-être aussi qu'un bon camouflage ne se résume pas à la derniére tenue à la mode pour poster sur image hack us... ;)

image hack us ? :P

[Babou]

Patron, c'est un site d'hébergement en ligne... ;)

[Gibbs le Cajun]

Patron, c'est un site d'hébergement en ligne... ;)

j'ai pas l'air con moi  :P :lol:

[snikt59]

Tu veux qu'on compare nos connaissances en mili ?

je pense que j'aurais certainement l'air plus con que toi ;)...

[Babou]

j'ai pas l'air con moi  :P :lol:

Pas du tout Patron :lol: vite se protéger la tête avant la tape...

[Gibbs le Cajun]

Pas du tout Patron :lol: vite se protéger la tête avant la tape...

dinoooooozooo !!!!! :lol:

[eckers]

Le bleu se permet de l'ouvrir, c'est peut être parce que dinozzo a mal écris le nom du site ...  :lol:

http://imageshack.us/

[Babou]

Hep Mac Gogol :lol: je ne l'ai pas mal écrit je ne l'ai jamais écrit le nom du site c'est notre superbe patron qui la mal écrit et qui ne comprenais pas ce que c'était... ;) c'est SNIKT qui la écris la première fois mais on part en HS là..

[snikt59]

yes c'est moi.

mea culpa, maxi culpa  :lol:

[Invité]

Le BOAMP n°62B du 30 mars 2010 lance un appel d'offre pour l'étude, la réalisation et l'évaluation de matériaux pilotables, destinés au camouflage adaptatif Visible et IR des matériels terrestres.

Les objectifs majeurs de ce projet sont :

> de développer différents matériaux et technologies dits commandables et destinés au camouflage adaptatif,

> d'évaluer leur niveau de maturité technique et les performances atteignables (identification des limites) au travers d'échantillons.

> d'étudier la faisabilité d'une " peau active " à base des matériaux commandables développés.

[eckers]

outch! tout un programme ^^ :lol:

[Serge]

Un petit article de synthèse sur les camouflages pixelisés sur Strike-Hold!

Much has already been written about the improvements and benefits offered by digital patterns over traditional or “analogue” patterns.

Besides the enhanced disruption and dithering effects offered by digital (especially pixelated) patterns, the ability to use sophisticated graphics software and pattern-generating algorithms also means that patterns can be created and optimised quicker, easier and more effectively than ever before.

However, for many people digital means pixelated patterns that are made from little coloured squares and clumps of squares – and many people also assume that any pattern that has squared or jagged edges to the pattern shapes is “digital”.

Latvian multi-terrain "Legoflage"

But just because a pattern has squared or jagged edges doesn’t necessarily mean it’s “digital”, nor does a ”digital” pattern have to be comprised of pixelated shapes.  The Soviet “birch leaf” camo of WWII and “sun bunnies” camo of the Cold War are good examples of “analogue” patterns that are mistaken as digital.  And Italian Vegetato is a digital pattern that is mistaken as analogue.

Isn't digital.

Is digital (fractals rather than pixels).

So, why the confusion?  Well, as they sang in “South Park: the Movie”, blame Canada!  As soon as Canadian Pattern Disruptive Material (aka, CADPAT) broke cover it launched the trend and set the standard with its pixelated pattern shapes.

CADPAT Temperate Woodland and Arid Regions patterns

Strictly speaking, a “digital” pattern is simply one which has been designed with the aid of computer-assisted design and simulation software, and which also usually involves the use of fractal or pattern-generating graphics software as well.

Pixel shapes are used in many of these patterns because work by Colonel Tim O’Neill (ret.) and others has shown that the pixel shapes fool the human eye by making the pattern appear more dithered and less likely to be noticed and identified.

In fact, Colonel O’Neill’s original work in this area – back in the late 1970’s – didn’t involve the use of computer-aided design at all.  His prototype “Dual-Tex” patterns were hand-painted onto vehicles and aircraft in various configurations and tested live out in the field.

Another area of confusion is about whether you can designate digital patterns as “Gen.I”, “Gen.II”, Gen.III”, etc.  Well, my personal view – born out of having studied this subject extensively – is that using these terms would be inappropriate.  Use of “Gen.I”, Gen.II”, etc. would imply that there has been a linear development path over time – and this is not really true.  It also implies that there is a clear and accepted definition of what constitutes Gen.I, Gen.II, Gen.III etc. – and again, this is not the case.  Finally, there is also the inherent implication that Gen.II must be better than Gen.I and Gen.III must be better than Gen.II – to make this type of classification would require thorough testing or review by an independent team of experts, or at least common agreement across the market, and neither of these is in place (nor likely to be attempted).

So, in the end, I have decided to classify existing patterns as Type A, Type B or Type C, according to the type of pattern they use – I also chose the introduction of CADPAT as my starting point, rather than going back to earlier experiments – as this was the moment when digital camouflage went public and the trend began.  I’ve outlined below what I consider to be the defining characteristics of each type, and why they are different.

The Classifications:

Type A:  Technically, these could also be called “mono-pattern” schemes as they employ a pretty straight-forward pattern of shapes that follow the basic rules of traditional camouflage design.

Examples include; CADPAT (and all of its derivatives; MARPAT, UCP, NAVPAT, etc.), Slovakian pixel camo, Finnish M/05, and many others.

Type B:  Technically, these could also be called “duo-pattern” schemes as they combine a micro-pattern and a macro-pattern to enhance disruption and dithering.

Examples of this type include; Jordanian KA2, Afghan Forest (HyperStealth Spec4ce Forest), Mirage Camo from Bulldog Equipment, Roggenwolf Kumul 2, etc.

A conceptual temperate-rainforest sceme for ground attack aircraft. I designed this pattern in the spring of 1995 using the pixel editting features of PC Paintbrush, and then "skinned" it on to the OV10 drawing using CORELdraw.

Winter/Snow variation of the pattern above, also designed in the spring of 1995. At the time, I was reading a lot of Cyber-Punk literature and these pixilated camo patterns were done as proofs-of-concept for a story I was working on. I didn't find out about CADPAT, O'Neill, etc. until several years later.

Type C:  The third category is for the patterns that “break the mould”.  These are the hybrid patterns that combine features of analogue or photo-realistic patterns with digital design characteristics.  In some cases they include the micro-macro patterns of the Type B category (such as PenCott from Hyde Definition), and in some cases they introduce new concepts – such as the boundary layer fades of MultiCam or the multi-sided pixel shapes of A-TACS.

Examples in this category include; MultiCam and Multi-Terrain Pattern from Crye Precision, PenCott from Hyde Definition, A-TACS from Digital Conceal Systems, etc.

Type D:  Perhaps someone somewhere is perfecting an invisibility cloak, or a workable form of active adaptive camouflage , but so far the true “chameleon suit” or “invisibility cloak” remains the province of science fiction and video games, and creatures such as the Cuttlefish (as below).

Multi-Terrain vs. Terrain-Specific

This is another debate which is likely to continue raging for some time – although I think the weight of opinion and observation is now swinging more in the direction of “multi-terrain”.  The recent selection by the British Army of the new “Multi-Terrain Pattern” and the US Army’s selection of MultiCam for use in Afghanistan will have a huge influence on design, thinking and decision-making going forward.

Quite a few other countries have in fact already gone ahead and either adopted MultiCam, to some extent, or developed their own derivatives.

The US Army have also proven beyond a shadow of a doubt (hopefully), with their “Universal Camouflage Pattern” that a single pattern cannot be effective everywhere.  And speaking of the US Army, it will be very interesting to see the final result of their current project to find a replacement for UCP.

When you think about it, a move towards multi-terrain patterns makes a lot of sense.  With the possible exception of a handful of very small countries, just about every country has a mix of different terrains within its borders – and when you throw external expeditionary operations into the equation then you really start to see the limitations of single-terrain camouflage patterns.

So, I expect that we’ll see more countries devoting more efforts towards producing a multi-terrain pattern that works well across most typical environments; with supplemental patterns for those environments that have truly unique characteristics (such as alpine/arctic snow or open deserts).

Of course, having a uniform printed with the best camouflage pattern in the world would be rendered useless if the soldiers individual equipment covers it up with a pattern or colour that ruins its effectiveness.  Add to that a black weapon and you wipe out many of the improvements in non-detectability that you’d gain from having a good camo pattern on the uniform.  

Conclusion

The sluggish recovery from the global recession, and the related pressures on public and defence spending, could also have an impact upon decisions about new camouflage pattern development and deployment by countries as well.  And finally, the continued out-sourcing of manufacturing and production of camouflage clothing to factories in China and other Asian countries with cheap labour is also bound to factor into future decisions as well.

The most interesting question though, from my perspective, is whether countries will continue to pursue the traditional policy of developing and deploying their own unique, distinctive patterns as opposed to taking a common approach – especially coalition or allied countries.  One need only look at how many countries have adopted British DPM or US Woodland patterns – or close copies thereof – in the past, and how many are now adopting MultiCam or MultiCam derived / inspired patterns now.  In fact, many people would argue that the main reason that the American and British “big army” chose MultiCam for Afghanistan was because of its prevalent use among their “small army” (i.e., special operations forces) units.

Copyright PEO Soldier, US Army. Courtesy of Christian Lowe, KitUp.com

Ultimately, the future will probably be pretty much defined by whichever pattern direction the US Army chooses to follow once it’s made a final decision in its future standard camouflage selection process.  As the main global trendsetter in the camouflage fashion parade, many countries will simply copy it, whilst others will take a more thoughtful and unique approach.

Whichever way things pan out, camouflage is sure to be an interesting and dynamic subject area for some time.

[lrrps]

+1 pour le multicam.

[Serge]

Comme l'annonce cet article de Soldier Systems, l'US-Army vient de diffuser un document sur "comment peindre son arme".

Back in December we broke the story that the Army’s PM Soldier Weapons was working with TACOM Rock Island to prepare a guide for painting weapons. COL Tamilio then brought it up at the PEO-Soldier Media Round Table at the Pentagon early last month and that’s when it hit the main stream media. When it hit the news stands it sounded like it was already authorized. I spoke with COL Tamilio about it and he said that they were, “still a few months out.” So I was pretty surprised when TACOM released a message on 1 April 2010 instructing Soldiers on how to paint their weapons. While the guide has been published, implementing instructions giving the go ahead have not yet been released. Who knows, maybe the Secretary of the Army will have to sign off on this one too. At least wait for unit leaders to get their heads wrapped around this like it says in the message. Guys in the Army are used to hurry up and wait but this accompanying photo from PEO-Soldier gives you a good idea of why this is so worthy of swift action. The Army seems to have gotten the pattern right, let’s see them camouflage the entire Soldier. Unfortunately, the message only covers individual rifles and carbines and does not address pistols or crew served weapons. Alas, Grenadiers will also look like the proverbial “football bat”.

The Maintenance Information Message was released on 1 April 2010, and is eight pages in length when printed out. It goes into great technical detail on how to prep the weapon and paint it. Here are a few extracts.

Subject: Maintenance Information (MI) Message, TACOM Life Cycle Management Command, (TACOM

LCMC) Control No. MI 10-040, Camouflaging Specific Small Arms, Items Affected: M16A2 Rifle,

NSN 1005-01-128-9936, LIN R95035; M16A4 Rifle, NSN 1005-01-383-2872, LIN R97175; M4 Carbine,

NSN 1005-01-231-0973, LIN R97234; M4A1 Carbine, NSN 1005-01-382-0953, LIN C06935.

Issue: This MIM supersedes the information as stated in 2.d.(5) of GPA (Ground Precautionary Action (GPA) Message which put the kybosh on commercial parts and accessories) 09-010 and 2.b.(4) of GPM 07-016 for the specific weapons listed in the subject of this message. The purpose of this message is to authorize at commander’s discretion the application of specific spray paint to be applied to specific small arms to aid in the camouflaging of our warfighters. The only small arms authorized to be camouflaged in accordance with this message are listed in the subject of the message. Additional weapons may be authorized in subsequent messages. Painting of weapons WILL NOT be conducted without the consent of the unit commander. Weapons MUST be stripped of paint prior to turn-in. Only two complete coatings of paint are authorized before weapon needs to be completely stripped.

3. Rationale: Warfighters must be able to conduct tactical operations while reducing/limiting detection by the threat. Camouflage paints provide for reduced visual detection and enhanced Warfighter survivability via neutral, non-reflective, and predominantly non-black colors. Weapon signature reduction (i.e., outline, and contrast with background, texture and color) aids in limiting Warfighters’ battlefield visual signature and makes it more difficult for the enemy to detect the Warfighter’s position. The color, black, is highly infra red reflective and black-colored weapons provide a high degree of visual contrast when carried by camouflaged uniformed Warfighters. Not only is the weapon itself more visible, but the type of weapon and type of accessories are more easily identified providing indicators to the Warfighter’s capabilities and position. Additionally, black color is more conducive to solar-loading (heat retention) than earth-tone colors. Some limited black color in irregular black shapes/patterns does provide for weapon outline breakup.”

Envision a plan: If you have not chosen how you are going to camouflage your weapon, decide at this time. Always start with a plan. Remember, most great camouflage is not pretty. The goal is to blend your weapon in with the environment in which you are operating. If you are operating in an environment that just has light tan sand, then just paint your weapon tan with limited black breakup. If you are operating in a jungle environment using brown and olive drab with limited black breakup may be appropriate for that environment. This procedure’s purpose is not to impress. Its purpose is to provide safety and another tool in defeating the enemy.

NOTE: Allow paint to dry before applying another color. DO NOT spray the paint on heavy. Test the paint on cardboard or a paper towel before painting the weapon so you know how much pressure you need to apply to get a thin coat.

TIPS: Good camouflage can be achieved many ways. Some may want to place netting or foliage such as grass or leaves on the weapon and paint around it to better blend into the environment.

Others may just want to use a blending technique. When using the blending technique coat the weapon with the lightest color you will be using. Next take a darker shade that blends with your environment and paint stripes about 4 inches apart at a 45 degree angle. You can do this with 1 to 2 colors. Next you need to blend it in. Take a dark color like green or brown and from about 6 to 8 inches away from the weapon lightly dust the gun. After that take a lighter color (khaki, or tan) and lightly dust the gun from 6 to 8 inches away. This will blend everything together and dull the finish. Colors will depend on operational environment.

Spray Paint - order spray paint through GSA using the below part numbers:

Part Number

1916830 Black

1917830 Khaki

1918830 Earth Brown

1919830 Deep Forest Green

1920830 Army Green

[S-37 Berkut]

Bientôt les chasseurs, les tireurs sportifs, les airsofters, les djeuns auront tous des CAMO. :lol:

Bon, je fais un mini HS de 2 secondes  O0

Tu rigole, c'est de notoriété publique que les softeurs sont mieux équipé que les militaire.  

Nous le multicame et le digital on connait depuis longtemps. :lol:

   

J'ai un pote que c'est lancé dans le multicame et qui possèdes des Crye Précision. (Un Crie Précision ça coûte dans les 400$) Je ne vois pas l'armée française investire autant qu'un softeur pour équiper un soldat, ou alors uniquement pour les forces spécials en Astan.

A l'armée ils m'ont fait chi** avecleur fichue CE, que ça coûtait chère, tralala, maintenant que j'ai mon ACU ARPAT pour faire mumuse on me fout la paix. Idem, j'aurais pu me brosser à l'armée pour que l'on me confie une IBA, c'est grasse au soft que j'ai pu enfin découvrir le système Molle, le cordura, les radio intra team  et les vrai protections balistique  

Après on investie pas tous dans les gears, mais on est des milliers en France à faire du soft  en multicame, arpat, marpat et autre digital et à acheter du véritable matos pour sa solidité. D'ailleur on a pas mal de militaire qui font du soft pour pouvoir porter du matos auquel il n'ont pas droit à l'armée. ^-^

Je pourrais vous poster des tof d'OP (grande rencontre) où il y a 100 fois plus de matos sur les 2 ou 300 participants que dans la plupart des régiments traditionnels.

Fin bref

Fin du HS O0

[Babou]

Il y a un topic airsoft ou tu pourrais les poster sans faire du HS et on pourrai en discuter sans faire du HS aussi ;)

[Philippe Top-Force]

Ce sont des membres des forces spéciales néerlandaises, KCT en multi cam 

A quand, pour les nôtres ?

Lançons un CAMOTHON , ton sur ton pour équiper nos forces.

[Philippe Top-Force]

MouT nous appose de belles photos sur nos GC http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?177602-French-special-units

Le couvre casque ne serait-il pas une bonne base pour un éventuel new camo à la française?

[Mat]

Nevermind..

[Krogort]

Le couvre casque ne serait-il pas une bonne base pour un éventuel new camo à la française?

On dirais le camo ANA... :O

C'est fini la mode du casque sans couvre casque pour faire "commando" ? maintenant il faut etre dépareillé?

[eckers]

truc con, une remarque sur la photo, les mousquetons accrochés à la poignée fast drop de la ciras, ça doit être génial pour le menton quand tu te tape un sprint!

[Philippe Top-Force]

Nevermind..

Merci Mat pour la légère correction d'apposition. =)

Nos voisins belges avec Morane-tactical ont une proposition commerciale camo multicam http://www.morane-tactical.eu/ cliquer sur Clothing.

[Gibbs le Cajun]

une solution (vu qu'on est pas prêt d'avoir un nouveau camo  :lol:) pour nos gars en afghanistan au niveau cam .

on leur fourni des treillis F3 en  cam Daguet (version cam amélioré comme celle des Cdo Marines ),et on panache avec du CE  en fonction de la zone .

on change juste le haut avec une veste en CE si il y a un peu trop de verdure ,et on reste garde le bas en "daguet " .

comme sa on garde une apparence Française (si chére à nos grands chefs  :lol:)et on ne se ruine pas (ben ouais ,il y a le pognon aussi dans st'affaire  :lol:).

on a un camo désertique qui existe déjà ,en panachant avec du CE on peut permettre à nos gars d'avoir une option et de ne pas servir de cible un peu trop repérable .

[Héliphas]

Chaque fois que je viens sur ce poste je pleure... Je vois tout les autres avec de bon/beau camouflage, et puis nous... :-[

[Philippe Top-Force]

une solution (vu qu'on est pas prêt d'avoir un nouveau camo  :lol:) pour nos gars en afghanistan au niveau cam .

on leur fourni des treillis F3 en  cam Daguet (version cam amélioré comme celle des Cdo Marines ),et on panache avec du CE  en fonction de la zone .

on change juste le haut avec une veste en CE si il y a un peu trop de verdure ,et on reste garde le bas en "daguet " .

comme sa on garde une apparence Française (si chére à nos grands chefs  :lol:)et on ne se ruine pas (ben ouais ,il y a le pognon aussi dans st'affaire  :lol:).

on a un camo désertique qui existe déjà ,en panachant avec du CE on peut permettre à nos gars d'avoir une option et de ne pas servir de cible un peu trop repérable .

Si quelqu'un pouvait discrétement scanner ou apposer les 2 dites photographies de ce camo? =)