Nouvelle armée Irakienne

[Seguleh I]

Salut euh

Les irakiens disposent bel et bien de missile nucleaire ballistique, le jounaliste irakien a tiré 2 SS-4 Sandal sur W mais la defense americaine a prevalu...  :lol: :lol: :lol:

ok  :P  desolé mais personne ne l'avais fait....

[Samsquamch]

Salut euh

Les irakiens disposent bel et bien de missile nucleaire ballistique, le jounaliste irakien a tiré 2 SS-4 Sandal sur W mais la defense americaine a prevalu...  :lol: :lol: :lol:

ok  :P  desolé mais personne ne l'avais fait....

:lol:  :lol:

J'ai cru que c'était des SS-42/43-Savat. Le système de guidage n'est pas au point visiblement.

[anthoemt]

Du tout!!!

Le POtUS est équipé de la technologie dernier cri de la défense ricaine :

l'ASES !!!!!

Anti-Shoes-Evitement-System !

[Berkut]

comme c'est le nouveau système c'est donc le NASES... 

[Ezechielle]

Oui, il me semble évident que les USA n'ont aucun intérêt à armer l'Irak de façon à la mettre dans une position de force. Empêcher l'homogénéité du matériel, ne donner que des fonds de hangards, leur permettre d'acheter du vieux matos dans des pays qui ne disposent que de matériel russe ou chinois antédiluviens...

Cette stratégie a 3 buts: renflouer les caisses des USA (ça ne suffira pas, certes, mais c'est déjà ça), montrer qu'ils aident effectivement au réarmement de l'Irak (pour faire bien devant quelques journalistes qui ne connaissent reien en matos militaire) et s'assurer la faiblaisse de l'Irak en cas de revirement politique...

[Berkut]

Ce ne sera pas la première armée arabe en double standard et dans tous les cas, quel que soit le matériel, ils n'offriront pas une meilleure résistance en cas de Gulf WarIII. L'avantage de leur fournir du destockage c'est que ça soulage les hangars pleins de vieilleries tout en faisant la nique aux autres pays qui espéraient faire la même chose (comment ça la France? :lol: )

Ezechielle, la case présentation t'attend.

[alexandreVBCI]

Les USA fournit 8000 Hummers d'occasion à l'Irak !

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/US-Plans-to-Transfer-8000-Hummers-to-Iraq-04759/

[Kiriyama]

J'ose à peine imaginer ce que deviendra cette armée et son matériel quand les Américains auront quittés le pays !

[Zamorana]

Soit un général sunnite deviendra le nouveau Saddam Hussein, soit c'est faire cadeau de tout ça à l'Iran.

[predateur]

Il reste la possibilité d'un conflit sunnite/chiite, est la on va voir chaque soldats retourné dans leur tribu respective. Et on verra l'armée fondre comme neige au soleil.

Voire le livre de Michel GOYA, "IRAK, les armées du chaos", où beaucoup de partie on leur propre milice, même les ministres du gouvernement on les leur. Elles sont pour la plus par constituer d'une seul ethnie. Sans parler des milice comme "L'armée du Mahdi', qui se divise en groupe plus radicaux.

[Tomcat]

Il reste la possibilité d'un conflit sunnite/chiite, est la on va voir chaque soldats retourné dans leur tribu respective. Et on verra l'armée fondre comme neige au soleil.

Voire le livre de Michel GOYA, "IRAK, les armées du chaos", où beaucoup de partie on leur propre milice, même les ministres du gouvernement on les leur. Elles sont pour la plus par constituer d'une seul ethnie. Sans parler des milice comme "L'armée du Mahdi', qui se divise en groupe plus radicaux.

Dans une interview hier soir sur La Une, Brzneski disait que le risque d'un clash entre sunnite et chiite est minime vu que les éléments de renseignement américains l'ont exagéré pour faire pression sur l'Iran qui voulait mettre les américain dehors dans les plus bref délais. Si demain on arrivait à un accord global avec l'Iran, on peut oublier ce risque.

[alexandreVBCI]

BAGHDAD - Iraq will receive 140 Abrams battle tanks from the United States to bolster its forces, the U.S. Army said March 7. The Iraqi army had taken "a major step in the force modernization of its armored units with the recent procurement of 140 M1A1SA Abrams main battle tanks," a statement said. Iraqi troops would begin training with U.S. officers to operate the tanks in December 2010, the statement added. It gave no detail about whether the United States had sold or given the tanks to the Baghdad government. Before the ouster of Saddam Hussein's regime in 2003, the Iraqi army had a fleet of mostly aging Russian T-72 tanks. On Jan. 1, some 260,000 Iraqi soldiers took over control of security operations in Iraq alongside the police after the UN mandate governing U.S.-led forces deployed in the country expired. Most U.S. troops are due to be withdrawn from Iraq within 18 months.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3979330&c=MID&s=LAN

[Berkut]

Je regardais les modifs faites pour la mise à jour Situational Awareness du M1 A1 et en fait ils sont bien mieux lotis que la plupart des autres pays dotés de M1... Enfin, ça reste des M1 A1.

Un truc qui me chiffonne quand même c'est qu'ils filent 140 des 155 modèles SA refités alors que le programme a été initié en 2006 et s'est achevé en 2008. A croire que depuis le début ces chars étaient destinés aux irakiens (ça a quand même coûté la bagatelle de 108M$ en tout)

The new tanks, which we’ll refer to as “M1A1-SA” in future, will have gear added including:

Blue Force Tracking (BFT)/Force Battle Command Brigade and Below (FBCB2), which shows the positions of friendly forces and identified enemies on a computer screen. DID’s in-depth article and links re: FBCB2 can be found here.

2nd-generation FLIR sights. DID covered their importance in this article.

Far Target Locate.

An eye-safe laser rangefinder.

A thermal sight for the tank’s .50 cal machine gun, which is also useful when providing overwatch and surveillance.

Driver’s vision enhancements. These may include BAE System’s DVRC rear-view thermal camera.

A power distribution box (note all the associated electronics in these modifications)

A rear slave receptacle. An auxiliary power (slave) receptacle is used to start a vehicle when its batteries are unable to supply starting current. This D-N-I.NET article had a couple of interesting points from the field re: the slave receptacle’s design and positioning, and indeed the M1 upgrade initiatives generally.

A tank-infantry phone that is mounted on the outside of the tank, and can be picked up by accompanying infantry. This modification has been used on tanks for decades, but was left out of the M1. It improves coordination, without forcing the tank crew to come out and expose themselves to enemy fire. This has been a frequent request from infantry troops in Iraq, whose urban situations make this feature especially useful. This feature is also included on the M1 TUSK urban warfare specialty variant.

source: Defense Industry Daily

[Tomcat]

Les voila ces M-1A1 mais ils ont l'air plus "light" que les modèles américains :-[

[Gibbs le Cajun]

sa doit-être mieux que se qu'ils avaient avant  :-[

[Hitmoon]

C'est pas non plus le meilleur blindé qu'ils auraient pu avoir !!

Du T-90 aurait couté moins cher, aurait été plus adapté et au final aurait constitué un meilleur choix...

[Gibbs le Cajun]

ouais s'est pas faux pour le T90 ,mais est-ce que s'est pas dans leurs intérêt aux américain ,une façon d'emmerder les russes en essayant d'amener du matériel US (en afghanistan on voit des armes de type M16 dans les mains de l'ANA ).une sorte d'américanisation du matos dans ses pays .quand pensez- vous ?

[debonneguerre]

Ils ont même laissé les CAL50 browning dessus, c'est pas standard chez les irakiens que je sache.

[Chronos]

En cour de standardisation  =|

[collectionneur]

Des 14,7 russes sur la tourelle des M1 ?  :lol: Et pour la mitrailleuse coaxiale, cela est bien compliqué à changer ? 

[P4]

Poor Cash Flow Delays Iraqi Deals

Baghdad Weighs Purchase of Non-U.S. Vehicles

By kris osborn

Published: 20 July 2009

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The sale of hundreds of U.S. Abrams tanks, as well as helicopters and other equipment, to the Iraqi Army is being held up by the Iraqi government's poor credit rating, leading the Iraqis to eye vehicles and equipment from other countries, Pentagon and industry officials said.

That's not the only problem with the Pentagon's Foreign Military Sales efforts in Iraq; U.S. officials this month floated a draft paper exploring other ways to accelerate a gummed-up process.

Under FMS rules, Iraq's credit rating is too low to borrow money from banks for large arms purchases. That renders Iraq ineligible for the "dependable undertaking" status that would allow it to pay off such purchases over time.

Iraq could still buy U.S. gear by paying most of the tab up front, but lacks the cash to do so, industry and Pentagon officials confirmed.

"This is forcing the Iraqis to make a decision about what they buy first. Do the Koreans, Russians and French have the same credit requirements as the U.S.? Perhaps the Iraqis can receive different creative financing someplace else?" said an industry official familiar with the process.

Repeated calls to the Iraqi Embassy in Washington were not returned by press time.

Much of Iraq's available cash is tied up in an escrow account, deposited with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York as a down payment on the $2.1 billion purchase of 140 Abrams tanks, plus handfuls of Tank Recovery Vehicles, Shelter Carriers, Humvees and armored ambulances. The U.S. Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA), which oversees arms sales to Iraq, approved the deal in December; it is expected to go through eventually.

But cash-flow problems are holding up many other purchases - for example, a multibillion-dollar deal, approved by Congress in January, to buy 140 more Abrams and 400 Stryker vehicles, the industry official said.

DSCA spokesman Charles Taylor said the proposed Stryker and Abrams sales are progressing.

"There is a detailed process. As far as we are concerned, things are moving along," Taylor said.

Other deals in the same boat include:

■ Last fall, DSCA approved a request to buy Humvees, Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles, 400 M1126 infantry carrier vehicles and 400 M2 .50-caliber machine guns.

■ In December, it approved a request to buy 26 Bell helicopters, 26 Rolls Royce engines, 26 .50-cal machine guns and 26 Hellfire guided missile launchers in a deal worth $366 million.

■ In January, Congress approved the sale of 80 Armored Security Vehicles and 400 Stryker vehicles.

Not every weapons purchase is delayed; Iraq is already taking delivery of 8,500 refurbished U.S. Humvees, for which it is paying $200 million, Army officials said.

But the industry official said it could take several years for Baghdad to establish the kind of credit history that would allow it to borrow enough money to cover these packages.

Alternatives

Meanwhile, possible alternatives to the U.S. gear include refurbished Russian T-72 tanks, Soviet-era BMD infantry fighting vehicles, and French and South Korean vehicles, Defense Department and industry officials said.

"It is not only Russian stuff. They are looking at stuff from many other countries as well, which they can do because they are a sovereign country," said an Army official familiar with the process.

For instance, Iraq may wish to buy certain U.S. equipment in 2009 but won't have the full payment until 2010, raising the question of whether to buy something from another country in the interim. These decisions are likely to unfold in the coming months, industry sources indicated.

Another analyst said he did not think the Iraqis would be inclined to buy Russian vehicles.

"German Leopard 2s would be too expensive for them, but I see them shying away from Russian equipment because of their experience with it. They were primarily a Russian-equipped force under Saddam and their vehicles were getting blown away by American forces," said Dean Lockwood, a policy analyst with Forecast International, a Connecticut-based think tank.

The industry official said large-scale Iraqi purchases of foreign vehicles and equipment could complicate U.S.-Iraqi training.

"What is the impact on training? Training them on our gear is easy. Are we going to train them on someone else's equipment with their radios, weapons, and their command and control? This is about boots to bullets," the industry official said.

One analyst said U.S. officials should help the Iraqis work through their credit glitches.

"One ought to think about extending credit to the Iraqis for something as important as this," said Daniel Goure, vice president of the Lexington Institute, a Virginia-based think tank. "If at the same time we leave Iraq we are heading toward a confrontation with Iran, clearly an Iraq that is capable of self-defense against Iran would be an extremely important ally to have in the Gulf region."

Goure said the Iraqis may be eyeing some older foreign vehicles as interim solutions until more U.S. stuff is approved.

He said the U.S. gear would make the most sense for Iraq, particularly the Strykers and perhaps MRAPs and M-ATVs.

But the paramount goal should be improving Iraq's army, Goure said.

"I don't think it should matter to us which vehicle Iraq buys as long as what is going on is the creation of a military that is self-supporting and self-sustaining so we don't have to be holding their hands forever," he said.

Improving FMS In Iraq

Meanwhile, the U.S. Multi-National Security Transition Command – Iraq (MNSTC-I) is working to speed up the Foreign Military Sales process in Iraq.

The Pentagon uses the FMS process to sell defense-related goods and services to foreign militaries. Such sales have moved more slowly in Iraq than in other countries.

"In the past, FMS worked well for the requirements it was up against. Now that we are rebuilding the Iraqi army, we face a whole new set of circumstances the original procedure was not set up to accommodate," Lockwood said.

This month, MNSTC-I produced a draft paper titled "Foreign Military Sales in Iraq." Written by Army Maj. Jay Ware, the program manager and plans officer for the FMS effort in Iraq, the draft paper highlights various proposals to improve the process.

"The FMS program in Iraq has steadily developed into a formalized program that differs from all other FMS programs around the world by the fact that it occurs in a combat environment," the paper says.

One suggestion is to assign one officer to each project undertaken by the FMS office to shepherd programs from "cradle to grave." This person would also help arrange the considerable security measures that are necessary to, for instance, have DSCA officials inspect a prospective construction site.

"In Iraq, movement takes days of planning and coordination with various military staffs, contract engineers and the Iraqi military and police," the paper says.

Another suggestion is to more productively use the 90 days it takes for U.S. Central Command's Security Assistance Office to draft each letter of agreement. Every FMS deal requires such a letter to be signed by the purchasing government. MNSTC-I's paper suggests that procurement plans might be laid out, construction blueprints drawn up, and the path generally prepared for the eventual purchase.

No timeline has been officially produced for reforms.

"We want to move with alacrity in this process, but we must ensure at the same time that we meet the letter of the law and intent of the U.S. Congress," an Army official said. ■

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4195302&c=FEA&s=CVS

[Tancrède]

Les Irakiens pourraient aussi avoir un petit bonus, vu que les Ricains se demandent s'ils vont pas laisser derrière eux les milliers de MRAP dont ils ne veulent pas et dont le rapatriement est hors de prix.

[scalp79]

140 abrams de plus

Pentagon Contract Announcement

 

(Source: U.S Department of Defense; issued December 29, 2009)

 

General Dynamics Land Systems Division, Sterling Heights, Mich., was awarded on Dec. 22, 2009, a $150,472,736 firm-fixed-price contract for the definization of material contract and acquisition of 140 M1A1 Abrams vehicles for Foreign Military Sales program customer Iraq.

Work is to be performed in Lima, Ohio (70 percent), Scranton, Pa. (14 percent), Anniston, Ala. (10 percent), and Tallahassee, Fla. (6 percent), with an estimated completion date of May 2011. One bid was solicited with one bid received.

TACOM Contracting Command, Warren, Mich., is the contracting activity (W56HZV-06-G-0006).

[collectionneur]

Il s'agit de matériel d'occasion à ce prix la.

[alexandreVBCI]

Les livraisons de M1A1 ont commencées :

L'Irak a pris livraison samedi des 11 premiers chars américains Abrams M1A1, sur une commande de 140, à moins d'un mois de la fin de la mission de combat des troupes américaines dans ce pays.

Le reste de la commande sera livré d'ici la fin 2011, lors que l'ensemble des troupes de combat américaines doivent quitter l'Irak d'ici là, selon un accord américano-irakien de sécurité.

"Aujourd'hui, l'Irak a reçu 11 chars de fabrication américaine dans le cadre d'un accord passé avec les Etats-Unis pour la fourniture de 140 chars pour l'armée irakienne", a déclaré à l'AFP le porte-parole du ministère de Défense, le général Mohammed al-Askari.

Dans un communiqué daté du 1er août, l'armée américaine avait indiqué que les chars seraient utilisés dans un camp d'entraînement de la base militaire de Besmaya, dans la banlieue sud-est de Bagdad, qui a été officiellement remise aux autorités irakiennes à la fin du mois dernier.

Selon l'armée, les soldats irakiens sont formés depuis 2009 à l'utilisation de ces chars, avec 60 équipes à avoir déjà été entraînées.

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/73/20100807/twl-l-irak-prend-livraison-de-onze-chars-d79e08a.html