Agression chinoise et aucune réaction indienne

[Rochambeau]

Si un conflit eclate, la Chine la fera contre l'ile de Taiwan "la rebelle"...

Non même pas, il y a des chances que Taïwan devient Chinoise sans les armes, par contre il y aura forcément une augmentation des tensions dans la région quand ceci se passera.

[ZeusIrae]

C'est inquietant ces bruits de bottes, les nationalistes indiens m'inquiètent bien plus que les dirigeants chinois qui ne risquent pas de faire monter la tension dans un but électoral.

Vraiment, mais que fait grand-pere Wen en ce moment....ne serait-il pas, dieu nous preserve, en train de courtiser l'opinion publique chinoise.mmmh?

[Mani]

China army intrudes into Sikkim, retreats in 1 hr

New Delhi: In yet another incident of Chinese transgressions into Indian territory, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) personnel entered up to a kilometre of Indian territory in Sikkim and returned to their territory after spending some time there.

The transgression took place recently in the Finger Area, which came to limelight in the wake of Chinese claims over the 2.1 sq km of land in north Sikkim, sources said on Wednesday.

The recent move of the PLA seems like an effort on the Chinese part to assert their claims over the area.

Seeking to downplay the incident, Indian Army sources said these transgressions were "a routine affair" in which the PLA personnel violate India's perception of the 4,057-km long Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China.

The PLA men drove light motor vehicles and later returned to Chinese territory, sources said.

Though it was believed until recently that the Chinese have reconciled to the idea of Sikkim being a part of India, there have been at least 65 incidents of transgressions reported in the last six months by PLA personnel into the Finger Area of the State, sources said.

Also, there have been reports of over 150 transgressions by the PLA across the LAC last year.

During the recent visit of India's External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee to Beijing, the Chinese reportedly stunned him by raising the issue of Finger Area.

However, Defence Minister A K Antony and the Indian Army establishment have been repeatedly downplaying the transgressions as "misconception over the LAC" on the part of China.

"Just as the Chinese keep transgressing into the Indian territory as per their perception of LAC, Indian Army too keeps patrolling the areas under its control along the LAC," Antony had said recently.

Though ITBP claimed that the present transgression took place in an area that was not under their control, officials said they were not in a position to confirm or deny the incident.

Les Chinois dans leur arrogance cherchent la guerre !

Mais quand ils recevront des bombes atomiques dans leur gueule, ils feront moins les malins  >:(

[Zamorana]

On constate plutôt l'impuissance des indiens face à ses intrusions chinoises.

[Chronos]

Et que pénêtre-t-on finalement ? des réseaux civils ? L'armée indienne ne fonctionne pas sur intranet ? Il n'y à AUCUNE sauvegarde externe ?

[Mani]

Indian Army fears China attack by 2017

The Indian military fears a ‘Chinese aggression’ in less than a decade. A secret exercise, called ‘Divine Matrix’, by the army’s military operations directorate has visualised a war scenario with the nuclear-armed neighbour before 2017.

“A misadventure by China is very much within the realm of possibility with Beijing trying to position itself as the only power in the region. There will be no nuclear warfare but a short, swift war that could have menacing consequences for India,” said an army officer, who was part of the three-day war games that ended on Wednesday.

In the military’s assessment, based on a six-month study of various scenarios before the war games, China would rely on information warfare (IW) to bring India down on its knees before launching an offensive.

The war games saw generals raising concerns about the IW battalions of the People’s Liberation Army carrying out hacker attacks for military espionage, intelligence collection, paralysing communication systems, compromising airport security, inflicting damage on the banking system and disabling power grids. “We need to spend more on developing information warfare capability,” he said.

The war games dispelled the  notion that China would take at least one season (one year) for a substantial military build-up across India’s northeastern frontiers. “The Tibetan infrastructure has been improved considerably.  The PLA can now launch an assault very quickly, without any warning, the officer said.

The military believes that China would have swamped Tibet with sweeping demographic changes in the medium term. For the purposes of Divine Matrix, China would call Dalai Lama for rapprochement and neutralise him. The top brass also brainstormed over India’s options in case Pakistan joined the war to. Another apprehension was that Myanmar and Bangladesh would align with China in the future geostrategic environment.

Quelques images satellitaires :

Selon moi, la meilleure politique étrangère à l'égard de la Chine est la rupture définitive c'est-à-dire :

- rupture des relations diplomatiques, économiques et culturelles

- rappel de l'amabssadeur indien, des diplomates, hommes d'affaires, ... et fermeture de l'ambassade indienne en Chine

- boycott des produits chinois et interdiction de commercer sur le sol indien (magasins, restaurants, ... chinois)

- expulsion des ressortissants chinois ou d'origine chinoise

- retrait de l'OCS

- destruction ou enlèvement de tout patrimoine chinois sur le sol indien

- interdiction du survol des avions civils chinois dans l'espace aérienne indienne

- interdiction d'acostage de bateaux chinois dans les ports indiens et de navigation dans les eaux territoriales indiennes

- inscrire la Chine dans la liste des pays soutenant le terrorisme international car allié au Pakistan (terreau de l'intégrisme religieux et berceau du terrorisme international)

- ...

Enfin :

- reprise des essais nucléaires

- constructions de centaines de milliers d'abris ou villes anti-atomiques reliés par des réseaux souterrains pour permettre une certaine mobilité des survivants en cas d'attaque nucléaire chinoise

- programme de militarisation importante de la société indienne, information de la menace chinoise imminente et augmentation accrue du budget militaire.

[collectionneur]

"Peace and Love"... Je pensais que les relations entre ces 2 géants s'était normalisé depuis quelques années au sujet de la frontière commune, la c'est un programme que même les USA et l'URSS durant les pires périodes de la guerre froide n'ont pas appliqué.

[Kiriyama]

Non même pas, il y a des chances que Taïwan devient Chinoise sans les armes

Pas sûr. Les Taiwanais sont attachés à leur indépendance comme le prouvent les manifestations qui ont acceuillis un politique chinois en visite à Taiwan. Par contre à long terme, voir à long terme, si taiwan tient à son indépendance elle devra se méfier de sa jeune génération, peu fiable.

[aviapics]

"Peace and Love"... Je pensais que les relations entre ces 2 géants s'était normalisé depuis quelques années au sujet de la frontière commune, la c'est un programme que même les USA et l'URSS durant les pires périodes de la guerre froide n'ont pas appliqué.

La guerre froide avait cet avantage de ne pas avoir de frontiere "directement" commune entre les deux grands...

[Berkut]

Ah bah si quand même, RFA/RDA, une foutue frontière commune et un bon paquet de troufions sont allés se peler les miches chez les teutons... :lol:

[Gibbs le Cajun]

pareil pour la corée ,il y a encore pas mal de gi's stationné au pays du matin calme ( il devrait peu t'être changer se surnom  :lol:) ,et l'hiver sa péle pas mal (le réservoir gelé de chosin en 1950 ,-15 -20 )comme on peu le voir il reste un vestige de la guerre froide avec une frontiére  ;)

[aviapics]

J'ai pourtant bien parle de frontiere directement commune entre les deux pays... et vous me citez la coree et l'allemagne... 51eme et 52eme etats americains?

[Zamorana]

Je trouve les craintes indiennes infondés, je ne vois pas ben pourquoi les chinois risqueraient de déclencher un conflit nucléaire en les attaquants.

[Berkut]

J'ai pourtant bien parle de frontiere directement commune entre les deux pays... et vous me citez la coree et l'allemagne... 51eme et 52eme etats americains?

Oui oui, sur pas mal de points la RFA était un 51ème état. ;) et pour la Corée, c'est pas faux non plus vu la main mise us qu'il y avait et qu'il y a encore quand même.

[Mani]

Je trouve les craintes indiennes infondés, je ne vois pas ben pourquoi les chinois risqueraient de déclencher un conflit nucléaire en les attaquants.

A cause d'un nationalisme excessif et exacerbé de la nouvelle jeune génération chinoise (classe politique et militaire) qui pourrait ne plus être contrôlable un jour !

Selon divers témoignages étrangers qui sont allés en Chine, ils ont constaté que beaucoup de Chinois affichent sans tabou leur sentiment de supériorité au reste du monde. Le rêve d'un nouvel Empire ou d'une revanche fait rêver pas mal de Chinois !

Enfin, voir les réactions contre la France avant les jeux Olympiques 2008 : appel aux boycott des produits français et manifestations de colère contre la France qui a présenté ses excuses officielles "en baissant sa culotte devant eux".

Même la Russie se méfie des ambitions ou des visées chinoises sur la Mongolie ou sur ses terres avec l'arrivée de nombreux immigrants chinois au Nord-Est (Vladivostock).

"The Chinese have emerged as the fastest growing ethnic minority in Russia. While official data of the October 2002 census will be published only next month, preliminary figures leaked to the press show that Russia's Chinese population has grown from just over 5,000 in the late 1980s to 3.26 million today."

[Mani]

CHINESE AIRPOWER IN TIBET: PART-2 (J-8II PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS)

PERFORMANCE FOR LONG RANGED PENETRATION STRIKES WITHIN INDIA (MINIMUM LOAD-OUT IN WEAPONS AND MAXIMUM RANGE REQUIREMENT LIMITS)

Typical launch airbase: Dangxiong, Tibet

Role: LONG RANGE GROUND STRIKES (MAX LOAD IN WEAPONS)

Runway Length: 12000 FEET (GRAPH-2)

[Kiriyama]

Au fait le Tibet à un intérêt stratégique par rapport à l'Inde ?

[P4]

Le Tibet est le chateau d'eau de toute l'Asie.

[Zamorana]

Et tactiquement c'est un territoire facile à défendre et qui donne aux chinois une position de terrain bien plus avantageuse en cas d'affrontement.

[Mani]

India's emerging power makes Chinese Army worried: Pentagon

Washington: India's emergence as an economic, political and military power has left Chinese army worried, even as the two countries in the recent years have increased their economic and military cooperation, a report released by Pentagon said.

"The PLA (People's Liberation Army) remains concerned with persistent disputes along China's shared border with India and the strategic ramifications of India's rising economic, political, and military power," the Pentagon said in its Congressional mandated annual report on China's army.

The 78-page report devotes a small sub-section on India-China relations, along with those on Russia and Central Asian republics. "China has deepened its ties with India through increased trade, high-level dialogues, and an improved military-to-military relationship," the report said.

The two countries have agreed to boost their bilateral trade from USD 11.4 billion in 2007 to USD 40 billion in 2010. India and China have also held several rounds of dialogue over disputed territorial claims.

Sino-Indian defence ties were institutionalised in 2007 with the establishment of an Annual Defence Dialogue and by conducting three bilateral defence exercises since 2007, but the PLA remains worried about the rise of India as a regional and global power and its increasing military might, the report said.

"The PLA has replaced older liquid-fueled nuclear-capable CSS-3 IRBMs with more advanced solid-fueled CSS-5 MRBMs in Western China, and may possibly be developing contingency plans to move airborne troops into the region," the report said.

Elsewhere, it said, the border dispute remains a major cause of tension between the two countries.

"While China and India have improved bilateral relations, tensions remain along their shared 4,057 km border, most notably over Arunachal Pradesh," it said.

Du délire américain ou multiples provocations chinoises, ça devient n'importe quoi !

[Zamorana]

Ça les arrangerait bien, en plus ils pourraient en profiter pour faire des affaires avec l'Inde dans le domaine militaire, et ça détourne l'attention première de la Chine qui est plutôt du coté du Pacifique (l'Ocean).

[Gadsden]

Dès l'indépendance des colonies anglaises en Inde, la chine a soutenu le pakistan pour gêner l'inde, car elle savait que le seul pays capable de faire le poids face à la chine en asie est l'inde...(question de démographie).

du coup pendant la guerre froide, et surtout sous kissinger les iouesses avaient tenté de passer par le pakistan en le chouchoutant pour se rapprocher ainsi de la chine, et de lui mettre le crochet dessus,vu que la rupture sino-soviétique venait d'etre consommée.

bref tout ça ce sont de vieux antagonismes qui perdurent.Actuellement l'inde a un gros retard sur la chine en matière d'organisation de l'état, de l'armée, des fonctions régaliennes etc.

Sinon j'ai vu récemment un rapport de Goldman Sachs qui prédit que d'ici à 2040 l'économie indienne rattrapera l'économie chinoise(démographie plus dynamique, culture de la R&D au lieu de la contre-façon, état de droit...).

[Zamorana]

Le Pakistan est un allié de l'occident depuis plus longtemps que ça, déjà dans les années 50 les vol de U2 au dessus de l'URSS partaient souvent du Pakistan.

[Mani]

China's support to Pakistan's jihadists

(Professor M.D. Nalapat is vice-chair of the Manipal Advanced Research Group, UNESCO Peace Chair, and professor of geopolitics at Manipal University. ©Copyright M.D. Nalapat.)

Manipal, India — After decades of denial, the U.S. military – though not yet the State Department – has begun to admit that the Pakistan military, a major “non-NATO ally,” is the source of much of the capability of the Taliban thugs that are now sending NATO into a panic in Afghanistan.

Individuals within the Pakistan military claim that no fewer than 30,000 jihadists are presently being trained by regular officers and army men, who are, of course, officially "on leave to visit family." Of the trainees, no fewer than 2,000 are being imparted proficiency in high explosives and in the commando-style operations that enabled a handful of operatives to hold off the Indian security establishment for three humiliating days in Mumbai from Nov. 26 to 28 last year.

The purpose of such assistance is to "ensure that Afghanistan, Kashmir and Central Asia emerge as allies of a rejuvenated Pakistan" and to see that "the Indian economic dream becomes a nightmare," the army sources say.

This second objective is of value to China, which is visibly uneasy at the accelerating pace of development in India, despite intense efforts by its communist allies in the ruling establishment to reverse economic reforms. It’s no wonder that almost all the sensitive communications links of the Pakistan army – including the unrecorded "ghost units" that guide terror operations – are provided by China.

Unless those in authority in Beijing are as credulous as their counterparts in the CIA and in the U.S. State Department – a difficult proposition to accept – the Chinese vendors of the communications, explosives and other lethal equipment that ultimately reaches jihadists in Afghanistan, India and elsewhere must be aware of the unconventional nature of the end-users of the goods and services they dispense.

An increase in terrorist activity in India would surely lead to a decline in that country's growth prospects. Therefore, if the activities of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence units cause a spike in terror activities in India, it is not sufficient reason for China to cut off its gifts to the army of force-multipliers that end up in jihadist hands.

It is not only in Pakistan that China has, in effect, become a reliable ally of what are euphemistically known as "unconventional forces." Equipment and services from China flood into states such as Sudan, Iran, Syria and Somalia. In none of these states are the authorities squeamish about separating regular operations from those conducted by terror groups.

During the years when the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan, China was among its biggest benefactors, together with Pakistan, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia.

Of course, in the cause of showering largesse on the Pakistan army, few can rival the United States. Days ago, U.S. President Barack Obama announced the gift of a fresh US$7.5 billion to Pakistan, supposedly to build schools, roads and other infrastructure.

What Obama apparently failed to pick up from his intelligence briefings was the fact that these schools, with their poisonous curricula and fanaticized staff, are the breeding grounds for jihad. Or that the Pakistan army has – according to information available even to the civilian government – diverted about 63 percent of the funds given to it by the United States "to fight terror" to operations that are India-specific, hardly a contribution to the War on Terror.

Until the toxic content is removed from school curricula in Pakistan; unless jihadist elements within the teaching community are weeded out and replaced with genuine moderates; and unless religious schools confine themselves to the training of imams rather than to seeding the entire Pakistan civil and military structure with their products, most assistance given to Pakistan is a contribution to jihad.

What the U.S. government should do is impose immediate travel restrictions and financial sanctions on individuals and entities that aid terrorists such as al-Qaida and the Taliban. It is ironic that the sons, daughters and relatives of the very military officers that are assisting the Taliban are teeming in U.S. campuses and corporations, courtesy of successive indulgent administrations.

Amazingly, the very "experts" who in the 1990s called for help to what became the Taliban, and who in the post-9/11 phase advised the defanging of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan to benefit the Pakistan military, have remained the dominant voices in U.S. policy toward Afghanistan and Pakistan in both the George W. Bush and the Obama administrations. It appears that, in the wonderland of U.S. policy, nothing succeeds as well as failure.

The "new" policy announced by the Obama administration, unless accompanied by a push toward structural reforms in Pakistan's military and education system, will also end in failure. Not surprisingly, after Obama advisor Colin Powell and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton generously gave their support to the "Punjabi plot" – the scheme of Pakistan army chief Ashfaq Kayani, Pakistan Muslim League (N) chief Nawaz Sharif and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani to marginalize President Asif Ali Zardari – there was an immediate spike in terrorist activity on both sides of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

With cash from the United States and sophisticated equipment from China, the jihad-friendly Pakistan military is on a roll. Its allies in terror groups around the world will be delighted.

As for the rest, all they can do is brace themselves for the terror attacks that will follow the consistent China-U.S. policy of allowing the Pakistan army to continue unmolested on the jihadi path initiated by the late Islamist President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq nearly four decades ago.

Cela ne m'étonne guère des dirigeants chinois qui peuvent compter sur la naïveté, l'inconscience et la crédulité déconcertante et affligeante de l'ensemble de la classe politico-militaire indienne actuellement.

[Montaudran]

Bonjour,

Je place un lien vers le blog ActuDefense sur lequel a été livré un article sur un point "chaud" en Asie : Arunachal Pradesh .

Je ne connaissait pas très bien cette zone, je comprends mieux la politique d'armement tout azimut de l'Inde... bien que la Chine ne semble pas actuellement encline à utiliser l'option militaire j'ai l'impression que leur politique est celle du poids lourd, vous savez celui qui ne vous laisse pas la priorité à droite parce qu'il est très visible et bien plus gros que vous.