DrSomnath999

https://www.meta-defense.fr/en/2020/08/03/will-the-remote-carrier-drone-of-the-scaf-program-be-at-the-heart-of-the- f5-burst-standard / can india get those drones from france ?? Btw we are in joint venture with usa to produce something like that swarm of armed SEAD drones https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-us-to-collaborate-on-drone-swarms-other-military-hi-techs/articleshow/71747116.cms CHEERS

https://www.meta-defense.fr/en/2020/08/03/will-the-remote-carrier-drone-of-the-scaf-program-be-at-the-heart-of-the-f5-burst-standard/

@Patrick Merci ami

one of the best french websites on rafale https://omnirole-rafale.com/ CHEERS

interesting french pdf source i found can anyone translate it english REGARDS https://www.ifri.org/sites/default/files/atoms/files/noel_paglia_tenenbaum_armees_menaces_2018.pdf FRANCE 's SEAD model Please translate this in english

http://www.air-defense.net/forum/topic/18806-rafale-and-other-european-jets-english-only/?do=findComment&comment=1328490

well henri pierre grolleu articles are wonderful .I am a big fan of his articles .He is a great journo published many articles in Air fan and air et cosmos magazines CHEERS

This article is from AIR INTERNATIONAL JUNE 2019 edition . This was a special article exclusively on rafale .I have made a pdf of all this pics into a single pdf file please download it before Aug 22 2020 before it expires LINK https://smallpdf.com/shared#st=1faefc62-7ae1-4183-9b27-caaf57f0691e&fn=rafale+special.pdf&ct=1596889885978&tl=share-document&rf=link

It's not my fault if you can't understand or lazy enough to read the sentence posted below that part you quoted in my previous post which I posted. CHEERS

https://en.218tv.net/2020/08/06/intervention-in-libya-escalates-accusations-between-paris-and-ankara/ Intervention in Libya escalates accusations between Paris and Ankara https://eurasiantimes.com/s-400-vs-rafale-turkey-to-deploy-russian-s-400-missile-to-counter-french-rafale-jets/ S-400 vs Rafale: Turkey to deploy Russian S-400 Missile to counter French Rafale Jets India would be keeping a close eye as French-built Rafale jets could take on Russian-designed S-400 air defence systems in Libya. India is set to acquire both S-400s and Rafale jets as Turkey looks to protect its interest in Libya S-400 missiles vs Rafale jets could soon be a reality as Turkey could possibly deploy Russian S-400 air defence systems in Libya to counter the French & Egyptian air force which includes the Mirage and Rafale jets.

members who are quoting my post regarding the price of rafale per jet,perhaps taking it in a -ve way i assume. But i posted this on a basis of simple math not anything else and that too it is for IAF . 60000 crore deal for 36 jets each jet for india comes for around 230 million dollars per jet according to simple math no rocket science involve to prove it. -Regardless of the deal price of rafale excluding weapons /external avionics suite / maintainience /support / is constant no matter who buys it [90 million dollars est ] can be 1 or 2 million dollar higher depending upon the inflation. https://www.sify.com/news/fact-check-are-we-really-paying-three-times-more-for-each-rafale-jet-news-columns-skdsLSaabhbce.html#:~:text=€94 Million apiece).,cost IAF €1.7 Billion. CHEERS

https://www.studyiq.com/blog/supreme-court-rafale-deal-burning-issues-free-pdf/ https://www.prsindia.org/sites/default/files/parliament_or_policy_pdfs/CAG Report Summary_Capital Acquisition in IAF.pdf https://www.aspireias.com/uploads/rstv/8_OCT_In_Depth.pdf price of each rafale for IAF with waepons and maintainence ,and with 50 percent offset clause comes around 230 million dollars per jet

China Warns India’s Rafale Fighters ‘Have No Chance’ Against Chinese Stealth Jets Michael PeckContributor Chinese and Indian fighters are engaging in vicious dogfights. Not in the air, but over the airwaves, where both nations are claiming that their newest jets are superior to those of their rival. Last week, former Indian Air Force chief B.S. Dhanoa claimed that China’s new J-20 stealth fighter “doesn’t come close” to India’s new French-made Rafale fighters. Dhanoa boasted the Rafale’s “top-of-the-line electronic warfare suite, Meteor beyond-visual-range [air-to-air] missile and Scalp air-to-ground weapon with its terrain following capability outguns any threat that the Chinese Air Force produces,” according to the Hindustan Times. It’s China’s surface-to-air missiles – not its jet fighters — that are the biggest threat, Dhanoa said. He also suggested that Chinese military technology is so poor that even Beijing’s ally Pakistan, which operates Chinese warplanes and tanks, has little faith in it. Dhanoa claimed that during air clashes with India in 2019, the Pakistani Air Force relied on American-made F-16s and French-made Mirages, while its JF-17 fighters – a joint China-Pakistan design – only played a minor role. “Why does Pakistan use Swedish early air warning platforms up north [near the disputed border with India] and keep its Chinese AWACS in the south? Why is Pakistan mounting a European radar and Turkish targeting pod on the Chinese JF-17? The answer is quite evident.” Dhanoa extolled the Rafale as a “game changer.” India has deployed the first five Rafales, which arrived last week, to the Ladakh area of the Himalayas, where China and India fought border clashes in June. India is slated to receive 36 Rafales, which are flown by the French Air Force and Navy, as well as Egypt and Qatar. Considering how much prestige China has invested in its newest high-tech jets and warships, there was no chance that Beijing was going to let those jibes pass without a response. “Chinese experts said that the Rafale is only a third-plus generation fighter jet, and does not stand much of a chance against a stealth, fourth-generation one like the J-20,” replied China’s state-owned Global Times. Chinese military experts claim the Rafale is only marginally better than India’s existing Russian-designed Su-30 MKI fighters. “In some combat performance areas, the Rafale is superior to the Su-30 MKI fighter jets, which are in service in the Indian air force in large batches, but it is only about one-fourth of a generation more advanced and does not yield a significant qualitative change,” Global Times said. “Thanks to its AESA radar, advanced weapons and limited stealth technologies, the Rafale is comparable to other third-plus generation fighter jets used by other countries, but it will find it very difficult to confront a stealth-capable fourth generation fighter jet,” said Global Times. Actually, the 10-ton Rafale is generally considered a 4.5-generation fighter, with some moderate stealth capability to avoid radar and infrared detection, though less than fifth-generation aircraft like the U.S. F-35. On the other hand, it is far more maneuverable in a close-range dogfight than an F-35. The twin-engine Rafale can also use “supercruise” to fly at supersonic speed without gulping fuel as older jets do. Against Chinese fighters, the Rafale’s most deadly weapon is the Meteor, a ramjet-powered, radar-guided, beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missile with an estimated range of more than 50 miles. Using its AESA radar and Meteor missiles, it might be able to pick off Chinese jets at long range. Much less is known about the J-20, of which China has around 50. Weighing in at 21 tons, it is bigger and heavier than the Rafale. While the Rafale looks a bit like the nimble U.S. F-16, the J-20 resembles larger aircraft like the U.S. F-22 and Russian Su-57 stealth fighters. There has been some debate in Western circles as to whether the J-20 is a heavy interceptor designed to engage targets at long range, or whether it’s also a capable dogfighter. The latest J-20B version reportedly will be equipped with thrust vector control, while allow engine nozzles to be tilted for better maneuverability. The J-20’s primary weapon is the PL-15, a radar-guided, very-long-range air-to-air missile which may be able to hit aircraft up to 200 kilometers [124 miles] away, outranging weapons like the Meteor U.S. AIM-120 missile. If the PL-15 indeed has the capability to pick off Indian aircraft at that distance – and that’s a big if – then it would give the J-20 an edge should China and India fight for air superiority over Ladakh. But super-missiles or not, like Russia from whom it licensed or copied so many aircraft, the weak point of Chinese fighters has been their jet engines, which are less powerful and reliable than Western designs. J-20 production has stalled as China equipped the fighter with Russian AL-31 engines while attempting to develop the more powerful, domestically-produced WS-15 engine for the J-20B. But the J-20B has entered mass production amid expectations that the WS-15 will be ready in a year or two, the South China Morning Post reported in July 2020. So is the Rafale or the J-20 the better fighter? First, neither aircraft has really been tested in battle. The J-20 has yet to see action, so its capabilities – such as whether it’s really stealthy enough to avoid radar detection – remains to be seen. The Rafale has seen some combat, but only bombing poorly defended targets in Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq and Syria. Neither plane has been pitted against opponents with advanced fighters and anti-aircraft missiles, so their strengths and weaknesses have yet to be revealed. More important, as I’ve said before, is that any conflict between nuclear-armed nations like China and India would be small and carefully controlled to avoid escalation. Any battle between Rafales and J-20s would depend less on factors like aircraft maneuverability, and more on factors like pilot quality, and the presence of ground radar, anti-aircraft missiles, well-integrated command networks, aerial tankers to replenish fuel-hungry fighters, and how far each side’s airbases are from the battlefield. For example, Chinese airbases in Ladakh have limited capacity, while larger airfields in Xinjiang and Tibet are up to 600 miles away. India’s Ambala’s airbase, where the Rafales will be based, is just 300 miles from the disputed area. Barring some unrevealed technical breakthrough in stealth, sensors or missiles – or some hidden flaw in aircraft design – it seems unlikely that the capabilities of the J-20 or Rafale alone will decide who rules Himalayan skies. https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2020/08/05/china-warns-indias-rafale-fighters-have-no-chance-against-chinese-stealth-jets/#58c7c3c36e4c

Re-Engineered Meteor BVRAAM On The Works For IAF http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2020/02/re-engineered-meteor-bvraam-on-works.html

thats why i posted that source to convince you that nobody in india except Congressi thugs pays shit to what indian media claims. Your prevoius post about french hand in abhindham shooting would have been taken in the same way . French mirage were also involved in that strike ,then had it shoot down IAF planes or bomb the targets in India .Will it paid any impact on rafale deal Absolutely NO. CHEERS see patrick's prevoius post related to mine .That's why i posted it . who is asking to debunk it .It is alraedy a debunked thing CHEERS

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/report-claims-pakistan-air-force-pilots-have-got-access-to-rafale-fighter-jets-india-denies/494291 the article source which i posted above in my prevoius post itself states IAF chief claims it to be baseless .So what new thing your posting i dont know

i dont think that way . PAF had tried hands on rafale before plus they were planning to use french avionics and mica missiles for JF 17 . It didnt work out .Plus they were shown to be trained with rafale https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/report-claims-pakistan-air-force-pilots-have-got-access-to-rafale-fighter-jets-india-denies/494291 See rafale's speciality is that it doesnt need a specific ECM plane to cover it up .That why IAF chief said that had they got rafale ,the scenario would have been totally different. Rafale has incredible passive detection ability with IRST / spectra ESM suite with towed decoys and impoved MAWS . So it is ready to go in high electronic warfare areas without getting blinded .Plus THales and saab are both quite good in electronic warfare segment. CHEERS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._24_Squadron_(Pakistan_Air_Force)

FALCON 20 ecm was a dedicated platform for EW . The PAF had upgraded it with french help .It payed off for them .If this platform was nt there Mig 21 kill wouldnt have been possible . It almost blinded Mig 21 as it was in EMCON mode totally relying on su 30mki and ground unit SAMs radar for target location . CHEERS

france has been the pioneer in electronic warfare segment.It is due to france falcon 20 ecm plane that pakistan airforce manage to shot MIG 21 down orelse it wont have happen. Both sides have jets ,awacs but IAf didnt have any dedicated ew plane at that aerial engagement . CHEERS .

Rafales Can Give Big Advantage In Tibet In Aerial Combat: Ex-Air Force Chief Mr Dhanoa, known as the architect of the Balakot strikes, said the Rafale jets along with S-400 missile systems will give the Indian Air Force a major combat edge in the entire region. New Delhi: The Rafale aircraft will give India a strategic advantage in case of any aerial combat with China in the mountainous Tibet region as the fleet will be able to use the terrain to its advantage, destroy enemy air defence and incapacitate the surface-to-air missiles, former Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal (retd) BS Dhanoa said on Sunday. Mr Dhanoa, known as the architect of the Balakot strikes, said the Rafale jets along with S-400 missile systems will give the Indian Air Force a major combat edge in the entire region and that India's adversaries will think twice before starting a war. In case of Pakistan, he said the purpose of the S-400 and Rafale is to hit Pakistani aircraft inside Pakistani air space and not when they come inside Indian territory, adding the neighbouring country would not have responded on February 27 last year to the Balakot air strikes if India had the French-manufactured jets then. In an interview to PTI, Mr Dhanoa said the Rafale, with its fantastic electronic warfare suite and maneuverability, will be able use mountainous terrain in Tibet to its advantage and blind the enemy before India's strike aircraft penetrate hostile airspace to carry out their missions . The former Chief of Air Staff also said that the Rafales being supplied to the IAF are much more advanced than the ones being used by the French Air Force as India had asked for something "more" due to requirement to operate in unique conditions like operations from Leh. Five Rafale jets out of 36 arrived India last week at a time India is in the midst of a bitter border row with China in the high altitude eastern Ladakh region. "Rafale has got a fantastic Electronic Warfare (EW) suite (SPECTRA), fantastic weapons and therefore are capable of protecting themselves electronically besides being able to use the terrain to their advantage," Mr Dhanoa said. "So they (Rafales) can play an important role in doing DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defence) on the Surface-to-Air Missiles that the Chinese have put on Tibet. "Once you take out those surface to air missiles then other aircraft like Su30, Jaguars, even Mig 21s can go out and drop the bombs on the Chinese forces. The strike aircraft carrying bombs can put tonnes and tonnes of bombs on the enemy troops, freely carrying out their mission. But if you do not do DEAD then you will suffer a lot of casualties," he said. The leading air forces globally carry out Suppression of Enemy Air Defence (SEAD) or DEAD using their top of the line aircraft or weapons before launching any major operation in hostile territories. "Against China there are big Himalayan mountains in between us which create serious line of sight issues. You can put a missile with a range of 300-400 kms on the ground in Tibet or in India. But it will only work within the line of sight," he said. He said the Rafales, with terrain following capability, will give India a major capability enhancement. "In air combat, the first thing that is important is information dominance, you get information and deny the enemy the information. The key role the Rafales will play in Tibet is information dominance and in case of Pakistan, it is a major deterrent. Of course there will be other roles too," he said. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/rafales-can-give-big-advantage-in-tibet-in-aerial-combat-ex-air-force-chief-2273005

Guys in this thread atleast please post in english as this thread is exclusively for english CHEERS

any info about IRST new one for IAF CHEERS

i have edited it go the link and read CHEERS From airforce monthly april 2020

India's First French-Built Rafale Fighters Have Finally Arrived Eight years after first being selected, the arrival of the Rafales couldn't come soon enough as China and Pakistan weight heavily on Indian minds. BY JAMIE HUNTERJULY 30, 2020 THE WAR ZONE https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35236/indias-first-french-built-rafale-fighters-have-finally-arrived