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A £1bn cost over-run is threatening the future of the publicly-funded project to build Britain's biggest aircraft carriers, the BBC has learnt. A memorandum from the lead contractors seen by the BBC suggests there will "be a fight for the programme's survival". The memo also discusses ways to cut costs, including the possibility of 400 to 500 redundancies. The Ministry of Defence said it was currently re-costing the programme and accounts would be published in July. Work on the two warships - the HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales - had been delayed in December but was due begin soon. They were due to come into service in 2014 and 2016, as the biggest and most powerful warships the UK has ever built. Much of the work is due to place at Scottish shipyards in the Clyde, where 4,000 jobs are dependent on the project. Costs to soar The project's cost is now expected to rise from £3.9bn to around £5bn. The memo was written for the chief executives of the companies participating in the project and attributed the cost increase to "a combination of direct costs, inflation and accounting adjustments". HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH AND HMS PRINCE OF WALES Displacement: 65,000 tonnes Length: 280m (920ft) Width (at flight-deck level): 70m (230ft) Keel to masthead: 56m (184ft) Nine decks (plus flight deck) Speed: 25+ knots Range: 8,000-10,000 miles Aircraft: 36 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters and four Airborne Early Warning aircraft, plus EH 101 Merlin helicopters Crew: 1,450 (including air crew) Weapons: Phalanx close-in weapon systems; 30mm and mini-guns Source: Ministry of Defence "The MOD [Ministry of Defence] will publish its annual report and accounts in July; these will show £1bn of QE Class cost growth and the project will come under severe pressure through the opposition and the media," the memo said. "This is a very real fight for the programme's survival," it adds. The memo also suggests the future of the Appledore shipyard in Devon could be under threat and possible measures to reduce costs include "substantial redundancies" of the order of 400 to 500. The BBC's business editor Robert Peston said the increase in costs would be seen as alarming, especially at a time when there are intense pressures on the government to cut public spending. He added that if the project was scrapped, the knock-on effects would be serious. For example, some 80,000 tonnes of steel worth £65m has been ordered from Corus, the beleaguered Anglo-Dutch steelmaker. A consortium of companies are involved in the project including BAE System, VT Group, Babcock and Thales. BAE Systems said that the delay to the project announced earlier was always expected to lead to an increase in costs. The work is split between various yards, including Portsmouth, Rosyth, and Hebburn.

Vivement les Baracudas, parce si cela est vrai... (à moins qu'il ne sagisse que d'une "strategie commerciale": on laisse gagner le Scorpene pour que le client soit content) ''I have heard that our KD Tunku Abdul Rahman (TAR) was recently involved in war games with one of the French SSNs after weeks of preparations that resulted in only turning in for sleep in the early mornings for the crew. It was a complete privilege for the crew in being able to track the SSN all the way through out the war game period. Alhamdulillah, KD TAR won 10 - 0 against SSN Rubis despite early worries whether our crew and boat can beat the OHiggins record of 6-1 wins against the French SSN previously, that resulted in nervousness in our crew when going into the games. I understand that the 10-0 win meant that our boat could hold contact for a given period, with enough time to establish a firing solution in order to conduct a simulation firing against the SSN, where later it was received and acknowledged through Underwater Transmission (UWT) that the target fired against was the opposing boat When the inspectorate staff from the French Navy ALFOST embarked in KD TAR for the final week tactical examination, they had admitted their defeat and that based on the post battle report, the other submarine could only track KD TAR 5 times during the whole period of two days two nights of war gaming. This is extremely good news for the crew of our newest naval service and they are now starting to understand what a fantastic submarine we have. May this high level of service continue. Bravo Zulu to the crew of KD Tunku Abdul Rahman and may they have a safe journey home.'' http://securemalaysia.blogspot.com/

SHERPA Light Armoured Personnel Carrier (New designator from the manufacturer) SHERPA Medium (New designator from the manufacturer)

Il y aura un deuxieme emprunt pour financer le Rafale N... ou soyons plus imaginatifs, un Awacs embarqué made in France sur base Falcon 7x. Nan mais on vera deja si "l'emprunt" profitera de pret ou de loin à la defense... En tout cas Morin etait convié a la reunion sur cet emprunt justement, donc on saura bientot je pense.

Mince DEFA est passé chez les

Si on n'en vient à cela pour comparer le typhoon et le rafale, dans ce cas un Rafale M (sur le CdeG) decollera toujours plus cours qu'un Typhoon. Voila, comparaison suivante :)

D'ailleur ça en ferait presque des mini Prowler (bon sans ARM pour l'instant, sauf AASM) suffisant pour faire de la Sead et du brouillage offensif (faute d'avions, de systemes, et de pods dediés, d'un autre coté c'est la marque de fabrique du Rafale: Omnirole).

Dans le HS DSI, il est de nouveau fait allusion (du bout des levres... ou plutot de la plume ou clavier) que SPECTRA ait un mode capable d'annulation active... Et sachant que ce que l'on trouve dans DSI est généralement fiable et pointu...

Le mot clef de la phrase est BVR non?

merci pour vos deux reponses

^ Je comprend pas trop... Ils veulent voir si il y a des traces de radations dans les carrotes prelevées à cause du CdeG ? Sinon, question à demi serieuse: QUand Sarkozy parle de lancer un emprunt national pour financer des projets stratégiques, ça pourrait éventuellement inclure le PA2 ou pas?

Ca fait donc 15 AASM 250? Quelq'un connait il les sequences de largage? Peut on tout lacher en meme temps ou bien y a t il un temps de pause contraint (par le logiciel) entre chaque largage de bombe?

Non mais si vous voulez des versions en grand format/haute definition dite le moi... j'ai posté toutes les photos que j'ai faite de toutes maniere (sauf celle ou on ne voit rien car une tete en plein milieu par exemple :) )

Au fait, ils auront pas un nouveau nom les Rafales EAU (post-2013 donc) ? Rafale -5? ou tout simplement F4?

Merci :) (et poutant tout n'est pas genial, j'ai fait avec ce que j'avais). Tu les as posté quelque part tes photos?

Lazer rockets again EC725 (straight from A'stan, still has the ISAF patch) + commando equipment Mirage F1 with modern weapons Nuke power!

La suite... F135-PW 600 This sensor looked really different EF IAI section is next Barak http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget086.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget087.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget088.jpg Harop http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget089.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget092.jpg C27 http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget090.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget091.jpg Arrow 2 & 3 http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget093.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget094.jpg Sprewer UAV http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget095.jpg

Allez! on reactive le programme Rafale N, on les convertis en Bi-place on les utilises pour la qualification PA/entrainement des marins... avec de l'argent du plan de relance :) C'est pas la fete, c'est la crise... on peut pas se permettre d'avoir 9 chasseurs comme ça qui vallent des milliards et qui servent a rien

First time i see a C2 with upgraded propellers

New RAF Awacs? http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget054.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget055.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget056.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget057.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget058.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget059.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget060.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget061.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget062.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget063.jpg La suite plus tard, il en reste pas mal :)

A400M Propeller (very big) MBDA had a very nice booth Scalp Naval has nothing in common with the air launch scalp, look at the size The new EADS UAV looked bigger than Global hawk to me http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget032.jpg Dassault http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget033.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget034.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget035.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget036.jpg EF with meteor http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget037.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget041.jpg Laser guided rockets (mockup) http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget038.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget039.jpg

Photos prises par moi meme. Xav Exclusive: PakFa MFD!!! (lol I asked the guy if this was for PakFa, he laughed and said no... Russian members please translated the cyrillic texts) http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget011.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget012.jpg Japanese Jaxa's Silent Supersonic flight concept http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget013.jpg Jaxa's Mach 5 Airliner concept, Paris - Tokyo in 2 hours... http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget014.jpg UAV from Austria Marine Nationale is interested to purchase http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget015.jpg Pylon Integrated Dispensing System http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget016.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget017.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget018.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget019.jpg Weird, Su and Mig were sharing the same "booth". http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/frenchxavier/Bourget%2009/bourget020.jpg

Je creerai un topic specific demain mais voici quelques photos que j'ai pris aujourd'hui

Oui... c'est ce que EADS devrait offrir dans chaque A400M comme compensation pour le retard...

Bon personne au Bourget demain? J'y serai tout seul donc si c'est votre cas egalement -> MP plus on est de fou plus on rit.