Rafale and other european jets [English only]

[seb24]

Dedicated thread for English speakers. =)

[bubzy]

C'est la fin des haricots !

 

it is the end of ze hawicow 

[jojo (lo savoyârd)]

Super ! :)

 

Voilà un p'tit coin où je ne risque pas vraiment de trainer mes guêtres .... :P

:lol:

[1foismax]

I am a native english speaker and I live in france.

[1foismax]

I am a native english speaker and I live in france.

By the way, for translations you might be able to submit them to "duolingo.com". Its a free web site for learning languages, and I'm quite impressed with it.  When you're advanced in a language it suggests that you help translate wikipedia articles. Their tools for the translation are quite good.

 

Je conseille duolingo a tous ceux qui veulent améliorer ou maintenir leurs langues étrangères.

Modifié le 23 septembre 2014 par 1foismax

[pascal]

@jojo

 

okay don't bring back your strawberry

[jérôme]

I am a native english speaker and I live in france.

By the way, for translations you might be able to submit them to "duolingo.com". Its a free web site for learning languages, and I'm quite impressed with it.  When you're advanced in a language it suggests that you help translate wikipedia articles. Their tools for the translation are quite good.

 

Je conseille duolingo a tous ceux qui veulent améliorer ou maintenir leurs langues étrangères.

you may live in France do not mind but is still an effort to write in french it's the least we can do.

[Patrick]

you may live in France do not mind but is still an effort to write in french it's the least we can do.

 

 

 

"vous pouvez vivre en France ne vous en faites pas mais est toujours un effort d'écrire en français c'est le moins qu'on puisse faire."

 

 

 

Modifié le 23 septembre 2014 par Patrick

[DrSomnath999]

Ok lets start  this thread with a good news for rafale 

 

Rafale deal may be signed by Dec
24 September 2014, New Delhi, Pinaki Bhattacharya

 

               

 

Indian government’s contract negotiation committee (CNC) for the medium, multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA), Rafale, has been given the draft contract document by the French aircraft manufacturer, Dassault. A top level Indian Air Force (IAF) source, while confirming this, said that they expect that the deal could be signed by December this year.

 

 

 

 

Long in negotiations, the contract is in the final stages of price fixing, the official said. According to him, the CNC will arrive at two prices at the end of talks. One will be ‘direct’ price, which will be actual cost of whole 126 aircraft the IAF plans to get – 18 in flyaway condition directly from Dassault, and 108 produced under licence by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL).

The other is Life Cycle Costing (LCC), which will cover the whole life of the aircraft in service with the IAF. This would include maintenance cost, overhauling costs among others. 

The IAF sources complained about efforts by some Indians to sow doubts and make the IAF leadership ‘weak-kneed’ by publicising wrong information in sections of the media ‘at the behest of a foreign competitor’.

The other key element of the deal is the licence manufacture deal between Dassault and the HAL. There were large number of issues that were technology related. A senior HAL source stated: ‘Now those issues have been boiled down to two or three. They would also be taken care of soon.’ 

One gets a sense from all these conversations, that the IAF has got a signal from the political leadership of the government that it is now on more than ‘a wing and a prayer’. In other words, the force has got a green signal from the government to go ahead with the deal.

The senior official said that since the LCC has been in negotiation for the MMRCA, the same formula has been applied to 19 other vendors, including the Russians, and none of them had complained about the sanctity of the LCC. ‘Any of them could have taken us to court, if we were in the wrong.’ 

The first air assets that have been delivered under the LCC formula have been the Basic Trainer Aircraft (BTA), the Pilatus PC 7. 

They are already flying in large numbers. ‘We were sure that we were in the right track when ministry of finance cleared our pricing, and it was sent to the Cabinet Committee on Security,’ the official said.

 

http://www.millenniumpost.in/NewsContent.aspx?NID=70065

[prof.566]

just posting to follow thread.

Another good point : Mirage 2000 satcom is considered as operational for France by CEAM (providing we pay for retrofit)

Rafale satcom is ready from industrial, yet to be finalized for french forces by CEAM.

To day's news from CEAM n°2

[anthoemt]

Champagneeeeeeee  !!!!????? (in english, and french, it's the same word ^^)

[Picdelamirand-oil]

Hi DrSomnath999 !

 

I answer here to this post : http://www.air-defense.net/forum/topic/15062-spectra-et-ce-que-vous-savez/page-23#entry806651

 

For me Carrara say that F3R will use GaN, and this answers your question.

[DrSomnath999]

Hi DrSomnath999 !

 

I answer here to this post : http://www.air-defense.net/forum/topic/15062-spectra-et-ce-que-vous-savez/page-23#entry806651

 

For me Carrara say that F3R will use GaN, and this answers your question.

well thanks again 

 

but like i said in that thread any news about SPECTRA GaN prototype to be fielded in 2014 

 

Have any news yet 

 

CHEERS

[Picdelamirand-oil]

well thanks again 

 

but like i said in that thread any news about SPECTRA GaN prototype to be fielded in 2014 

 

Have any news yet 

 

CHEERS

 

 

 

Already a PEA called Incas (Integration of new capabilities to Spectra) examines the replacement of existing GaAs emitters by GaN emitters. As part of this PEA, a  GaN Spectra emitters demonstrator is expected in late 2014.

[DrSomnath999]

€ 89 million euros to develop the future radar "RAFALE"

While Rafale operate for several days over Iraq, the Directorate General of Armaments (DGA) has ordered the Thales group studies of a new generation of active antenna radar designed to equip the aircraft French and the future air combat drone; whose drone nEUROn demonstrator continues its flight testing, especially from the Istres Provençal base.

 

According to the Ministry of Defence, this market of 89 million euros aims to demonstrate the relevance of technology multifunction panels and new modular architecture of computers. France, which in 2012 was the first European country to commission a fighter equipped with radar -the active antenna Rafale-, intends to maintain its technological lead in this area.

 

Particularly discreet and with a very good resistance to interference, this type of radar can track include air or naval targets moving more than 200 miles away.

 

 

https://translate.google.co.in/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.laprovence.com/actu/leco-en-direct/3061449/89-m%25E2%2582%25AC-deuros-pour-developper-le-futur-radar-du-rafale.html&edit-text=&act=url

 

 

Picdelamirand-oil

 

prof.566

 

is this translation error or this new radar would have range of more than 200 miles

 

 

CHEERS

Modifié le 29 septembre 2014 par DrSomnath999

[DrSomnath999]

DGA launches studies on next-generation active radar antenna

 

Delegate General for Armaments, Laurent Collet-Billon, officially presented today at Jean-Bernard Levy, CEO of Thales, a technology education contract for the next generation of active antenna radar.

 

This project aims to demonstrate the technology multifunction panels and new scalable architectures calculator. These new antennas are designed to equip forward the Rafale fighter and future projects of air combat drones.

 

Representing 89 million over several years, this investment demonstrates the effort devoted by the state to maintain the technological lead of the French defense industry, particularly in the field of military aviation. After making their first European with active antenna radar serial Rafale, France intends to maintain its leading position in the field of airborne radars.

 

These studies will demonstrate the maturity of components and achieve multifunction antenna (radar, electronic warfare and communications). These new antennas will also offer a significant advantage in terms of scope and discretion of the aircraft and will maintain the highest level of technology the French combat aviation industry.

 

DGA invests in the industry on average € 730 million / year in preliminary studies during the 2014-2019 military program Act.

 

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will it be included in F3R or Rafale's MLU

[Picdelamirand-oil]

 

 

 

is this translation error or this new radar would have range of more than 200 miles

 

 

CHEERS

 

 

It's not 200 miles but 200 km.

[DrSomnath999]

It's not 200 miles but 200 km.

pic

 

can you please give little detail about what those 2 programs mean ???

 

what new things are they saying basically ??

 

multi functional panel what does that mean basically 

new calculator ????

 

CHEERS

[DrSomnath999]

 

 

PIC

 

one naive question 

 

can these pods carry 3 air to air missiles ??

 

If no then does france have any pods which can carry 2/3 air to air  missiles like these .

 

CHEERS

[prof.566]

Here is the official communicate Dr,

 

 DÉLÉGATION À L’INFORMATION ET À LA COMMUNICATION DE LA DÉFENSE

COMMUNIQUÉ DE PRESSE

DGA/COMM

Tél : 01 46 19 8151

dga.synthese-de-presse@dga.defense.gouv.fr

DICoD

Centre de presse

Tél : 01 44 42 54 02

presse@dicod.defense.gouv.fr

Paris, le lundi 29 septembre 2014

DIRECTION GÉNÉRALE DE L’ARMEMENT

La DGA lance les études sur la prochaine génération de radars à antenne active

Le délégué général pour l’armement, Laurent Collet-Billon, a officiellement remis ce jour à JeanBernard

Levy, président-directeur général du groupe Thales, un contrat d’études technologiques

concernant la future génération de radar à antenne active. Ce projet vise notamment à démontrer

les technologies de panneaux multifonctions et de nouvelles architectures modulaires de

calculateur. Ces nouvelles antennes sont destinées à équiper à terme l’avion de combat Rafale et

les futurs projets de drones aériens de combat.

Représentant 89 millions d’euros sur plusieurs années, cet investissement illustre l’effort consacré

par l’État au maintien de l’avance technologique de l’industrie de défense française, en particulier

dans le domaine de l’aéronautique militaire. Après avoir réalisé une première européenne avec le

radar à antenne active de série sur Rafale, la France entend ainsi conserver sa place de leader dans

le domaine des radars aéroportés.

Ces études permettront de démontrer la maturité des composants et de réaliser des antennes

multifonctions (radar, guerre électronique et communications). Ces nouvelles antennes offriront

également un avantage significatif en matière de portée et de discrétion des aéronefs et permettront

de maintenir au meilleur niveau technologique l’industrie française d’aviation de combat.

La DGA investit dans l’industrie en moyenne 730 M€/an en études amont pendant la Loi de

programmation militaire 2014-2019.

Contacts presse

 

 

The first announcement was made by TTU

 

http://www.ttu.fr/cooperation-et-souverainete/

 

There is no mistake in translation, the journalist did state more than 200 Kms. However, we don't know its source vs what etc.

 

T answet your questions, No the Tri Bombes cannot launch 3 AA missiles.

 

I know a dual missiles pod was once studied for centerline, but never implemented.

 

Cheers

[DrSomnath999]

 

Here is the official communicate Dr,

 

 DÉLÉGATION À L’INFORMATION ET À LA COMMUNICATION DE LA DÉFENSE

COMMUNIQUÉ DE PRESSE

DGA/COMM

Tél : 01 46 19 8151

dga.synthese-de-presse@dga.defense.gouv.fr

DICoD

Centre de presse

Tél : 01 44 42 54 02

presse@dicod.defense.gouv.fr

Paris, le lundi 29 septembre 2014

DIRECTION GÉNÉRALE DE L’ARMEMENT

La DGA lance les études sur la prochaine génération de radars à antenne active

Le délégué général pour l’armement, Laurent Collet-Billon, a officiellement remis ce jour à JeanBernard

Levy, président-directeur général du groupe Thales, un contrat d’études technologiques

concernant la future génération de radar à antenne active. Ce projet vise notamment à démontrer

les technologies de panneaux multifonctions et de nouvelles architectures modulaires de

calculateur. Ces nouvelles antennes sont destinées à équiper à terme l’avion de combat Rafale et

les futurs projets de drones aériens de combat.

Représentant 89 millions d’euros sur plusieurs années, cet investissement illustre l’effort consacré

par l’État au maintien de l’avance technologique de l’industrie de défense française, en particulier

dans le domaine de l’aéronautique militaire. Après avoir réalisé une première européenne avec le

radar à antenne active de série sur Rafale, la France entend ainsi conserver sa place de leader dans

le domaine des radars aéroportés.

Ces études permettront de démontrer la maturité des composants et de réaliser des antennes

multifonctions (radar, guerre électronique et communications). Ces nouvelles antennes offriront

également un avantage significatif en matière de portée et de discrétion des aéronefs et permettront

de maintenir au meilleur niveau technologique l’industrie française d’aviation de combat.

La DGA investit dans l’industrie en moyenne 730 M€/an en études amont pendant la Loi de

programmation militaire 2014-2019.

Contacts presse

 

 

The first announcement was made by TTU

 

http://www.ttu.fr/cooperation-et-souverainete/

 

There is no mistake in translation, the journalist did state more than 200 Kms. However, we don't know its source vs what etc.

 

T answet your questions, No the Tri Bombes cannot launch 3 AA missiles.

 

I know a dual missiles pod was once studied for centerline, but never implemented.

 

Cheers

 

MUlti functional array means what ??

normal radar function plus 

passive radar & electronic jamming /attack

or in multiple arrays like Xband /  L band radar array

 

 

plus 

 why cant they create muti pylons in case of air to air missiles that would increase the number of air to air missiles they can carry in absolute air superiority missions / CAS / Air escort missions to 12 

 

CHEERS

[g4lly]

MUlti functional array means what ??

normal radar function plus passive radar & electronic jamming /attack

And hi-speed datalink, a the same time. Each part of the antenna doing a différent job.

 

or in multiple arrays like Xband /  L band radar array

Nope

 

plus 

 why cant they create muti pylons in case of air to air missiles that would increase the number of air to air missiles they can carry in absolute air superiority missions / CAS / Air escort missions to 12 

Coz' nobody has asked for this feature ;)

Today you could use eight AA missiles plus 3 fuel-tanks, who really needs more?

[French Kiss]

I think this kind of pod is made only for "dropped" ordnance like dumb bombs or GBUs or Hammer (AASM) which ignites only after drop.

"Launched" ordnance like air-air missiles, are something very different from a dynamic release point of view and also from the side effects on the ordnance placed on the pylons nearby. For example, if you look at the external stations on the wings of a F16C/D, the aamraam is on the side tip and the sidewinder is almost 1m afar on a pylon below. The only exception I can think of are the double stations for sidewinders but I'm not sure that those are still in use.

[jojo (lo savoyârd)]

Hey chaps,

Good news ! :)

 

Studies for Rafale futur next-generation active radar antenna
PEA, to Thales : french DGA confirmed :

 

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/dga/actualite/la-dga-lance-les-etudes-sur-la-prochaine-generation-de-radars-a-antenne-active

 

 

"Studies on next-generation active radar antenna
topicality.

DGA launches studies on next-generation active radar antenna.

Delegate General for Armaments, Laurent Collet-Billon, officially presented today at Jean-Bernard Levy, CEO of Thales, a technology education contract for the next generation of active antenna radar.

This project aims to demonstrate the technology multifunction panels and new scalable architectures calculator. These new antennas are designed to equip forward the Rafale fighter and future projects of air combat drones.

 

Representing euros 89 million over several years, this investment demonstrates the effort devoted by the state to maintain the technological lead of the French defense industry, particularly in the field of military aviation. After making their first European with active antenna radar serial Rafale, France intends to maintain its leading position in the field of airborne radars.

 

These studies will demonstrate the maturity of components and achieve multifunction antenna (radar, electronic warfare and communications). These new antennas will also offer a significant advantage in terms of scope and discretion of the aircraft and will maintain the highest level of technology the French combat aviation industry."

Modifié le 30 septembre 2014 par jojo (lo savoyârd)

[Picdelamirand-oil]

pic

 

can you please give little detail about what those 2 programs mean ???

 

what new things are they saying basically ??

 

multi functional panel what does that mean basically 

new calculator ????

 

CHEERS

 

Technical evolution is to intégrate Radar, Jammer and Communication. This study is a first step but it complement other PEA like GaN for technology Tragedac with a communication part and so on. So the study is not paper only but has to demonstrate the concept.

 

The demonstrator will be a multi-function panel so it will be able to be used for Radar and Jammer and communication. At the end we will merge Spectra and communication and radar perhaps at the Rafale MLU.