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Et bien si comme le dis ARka , le moteur en question ne peut être booster d'avantage et bien le programme risque de passer a la trappe! que de temps perdu si cela arrive !

Ils peuvent peut-être gagner un peu avec une nouvelle hélice, mais ça va jouer à la marge sur un si petit moteur. Et l'échanger avec un autre plus puissant, ça risque de pas être évident vu le gabarit.

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y'a pas a dire, les vieux coucou ca a la cote, a defaut de F35, tant que ca peu lancer des bombinettes et chatouiller les f1 grec.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/03/09/339189/turkey-accepts-first-aselsan-modified-f-4e-phantom.html

The Turkish air force has received its first of 16 McDonnell Douglas F-4E Phantoms to be upgraded under a $24 million deal with local supplier Aselsan.

Dubbed Simsek (Lightning), the project will equip the strike aircraft with new avionics, navigation and secure digital communications equipment, plus replacement flight software and improved mission planning equipment. Related structural renovation work is being conducted by the air force's 1st air supply and maintenance centre in Eskisehir

The effort follows an earlier project to modernise some of the air force's reconnaissance-configured RF-4Es, which delivered its first aircraft last year.

"The F-4E has been operated in Turkey since 1974, and with this modernisation it will be safer and more efficient," says air force commander Gen Hasan Aksay.

Turkey signed its first Phantom upgrade in 1994, selecting Israel Aerospace Industries to modify 54 aircraft as F-4E 2020 Terminators. Deliveries of the improved model started in 2000, and it is now operated by the air force's 111 Sqn in Eskisehir, 132 Sqn in Konya and 171 Sqn in Malatya.

The Turkish air force has 161 F/RF-4Es in its active inventory, as recorded in Flightglobal's MiliCAS database.

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=33204

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Le prototype du T-129 s'est écrasé. Les 2 pilotes d'essais italiens sont blessés.

Prototype for Turkish Attack Helo Crashes

ANKARA - A prototype for the T-129, an attack helicopter being developed by the Italian-British AgustaWestland for the Turkish Army, has crashed during a test flight in Italy but the pilots survived, the program's main Turkish partner announced March 23.

"An [Agusta-made] A-129 Mangusta helicopter, being used for test purposes for our ATAK program, has crash-landed near Verbania in Italy," the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) said in a written statement.

"The two Italian pilots were injured, but their condition is not life-threatening," it said. "The accident is not expected to affect the ATAK program's development timetable."

One Turkish procurement official said the accident took place March 19.

Under Ankara's ATAK program, AgustaWestland signed a multibillion-dollar contract with Turkey in 2007 for joint manufacture with Turkish partners of at least 50 T-129 attack helicopters. T-129 is the Turkish version of Agusta's A-129.

TAI is AgustaWestland's main Turkish partner in the program.

The first T-129 is to be delivered to Turkey in 2015.

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en attendant, ça fait plus de 20 ans que les italiens ont un véritable hélicoptère de combat (léger, certes), pas comme certains...

Et les Mangusta ont déjà servi dans de nombreuses OPEX, de la Somalie à l'Afghanistan. Pendant que son seul concurrent européen, lui, vient à peine d'être déployé en Afghanistan...

Alors un peu de respect pour le doyen des hélicoptères de combat européen.

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On parle d'un pbs de rotor , sachant que le version turque disposera d'un autre moteur que celui d'origine.

même si la déclaration précise que le prog n'aura pas de retard , cela parait impossible que le programme ne prenne pas de retard, 6 mois de retard serait déjà extra , mais j'opte plus pour 1 an , car le modèle crasher était censer vérifier la validité des modifs de la structures avec les nouveaux moteurs, donc le temps d'analyser tout ça,de trouver le pbs , de renforcer la structure , construire un nouveau proto , refaire les tests etc...... 1 pige au bas mot et encore......

l"hélico était en test à 15000 pieds ...

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par européen j'entendais conçu en europe...

(pas comme les WAH-64 anglais qui est un dérivé modifié des Apache US...)

dans le sens que tu entends toi, le Tigre n'est pas un hélico européen, c'est un projet franco-allemand qui est ensuite devenu franco-allemand-espagnol (3 pays sur la trentaine de pays que compte l'europe...).

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Le Anka-A (ou Tiha-A) est une version de surveillance, tandis que ANKA-B (Tiha-B) sera une version armés

Il n'a rien avoir avec le modèle israéliens HERON, dans la vidéo il a été lancé comme "voici le HERON TURC" à titre indicatif car le Heron était très médiatisé en turquie et toute la communauté avait donc comprit de ce que pouvait être un drone bien avant la sortie du modèle turc.

Cependant niveau endurance et altitude il est net que le modèle turc est inférieur au modèle israéliens par contre j'ai lue dans divers article que ce dernier ce rattrapait grâce à des compétence technique supérieur (maintenance facile, type d'énergie, système antigel...)  et notamment grâce à son prix plus honorable. Surtout ne pas oublier que c'est le premier produit et que les autres aptitude s'en doute s'amélioreront dans le temps avec les nouvelles versions..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI_Anka

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjFw9pmjr4&feature=related

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ANKARA- Turkey's Air Force may buy up to 116 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) Lightning II aircraft, the NATO ally's defense minister has said.

Turkey, a member of the U.S.-led nine-nation F-35 consortium, has already said that it means to buy around 100 JSFs. But Defense Minister Vecdi Gonul, in response to questions by an opposition parliamentary deputy on the JSF program, said for the first time in a Jan. 17 statement that the maximum figure would be 116.

"We're planning to buy 100 aircraft with an additional option of another 16," he said.

Members of the JSF consortium include the United States, Britain, the Netherlands, Italy, Turkey, Denmark, Canada, Norway and Australia. Turkey also will buy 30 F-16 Block 50 fighters from Lockheed Martin, the JSF's top producer.

Additionally, Turkey plans to build with a foreign partner or by itself what it calls a "national fighter jet" that would complement the F-35 in the 2020s.

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ANKARA, Turkey - Turkey has held separate talks with aeronautical officials from South Korea and Sweden for possible cooperation in the design, development and production of a new fighter aircraft in the next decade, a senior procurement official said.

"The companies are South Korea's Korea Aerospace Industries, or KAI, and Sweden's Saab," the official said.

KAI is the manufacturer of several military and civilian aircraft and satellites and is planning to produce the KF-X fighter aircraft. Saab makes the multirole fighter JAS 39 Gripen.

Turkey, whose present fighter fleet is made up of U.S.-made aircraft, also plans to buy the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, a next-generation, multinational program also led by the United States.

But Turkish officials privately say they want to develop another future jet fighter with a country other than the United States to reduce Turkey's overdependence on Washington. Most of Turkey's fleet of F-16 fighters, being modernized by Lockheed Martin, and the planned future F-35s are open to U.S. technological influence. Only its older F-4 aircraft, modernized by Israel, and its oldest F-16s, being modernized by Turkey itself, are free from this influence, the officials said. But these older aircraft are expected to be decommissioned around 2020.

As part of efforts to select a new fighter, Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has been tasked to determine the specifications of the new fighter by the end of 2012.

Turkey late last year held an initial round of talks with KAI on this matter, but the South Koreans offered to share only 20 percent of the project with Turkey, with another 20 percent going to Indonesia while keeping the remaining 60 percent for themselves. Turkey wants an equal share in the development and was quick to reject this offer.

"Now the South Koreans are coming much closer to an idea of an equal ownership, and this is positive," the Turkish procurement official said. "But there are still many more things to be discussed with the Koreans."

In the meantime, Turkey continues to be interested in rival programs, and the recent talks with Saab officials reflect this situation, the procurement official said. "Sweden also is a potential partner for us."

In addition to KAI and Saab, the Eurofighter consortium continues efforts to include Turkey in its Eurofighter Typhoon project.

Italian Deputy Defense Minister Goido Crosetto said in May that the pan-European Eurofighter Typhoon was the only viable alternative to U.S. planes in this category and urged Turkey to join the European-led defense program.

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WASHINGTON - The United States is considering are request from Turkey to base Predator drones there to operate against Kurdish separatists based in northern Iraq, The Washington Post reported Sept. 10.

Citing unnamed senior U.S. military officials, the newspaper said a decision to deploy the drones could strengthen the U.S.-Turkish diplomatic alliance but draw the United States deeper into the conflict.

The U.S. military has flown unarmed Predators from Iraqi bases since 2007, sharing their surveillance video with Turkey as part of a secretive crackdown against fighters from the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), the report said.

But the counterterrorism partnership could end by Dec. 31, when all U.S. forces are scheduled to withdraw from Iraq. According to The Post, U.S. President Barack Obama's administration has not yet made a decision on the Turkish request.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=7649429&c=MID&s=AIR

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