Armée de Terre polonaise

[Serge]

Poland Orders 300 Armored Modular Vehicles

Oct. 24, 2013 - 04:29PM | By JAROSLAW ADAMOWSKI

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The Rosomak is built under a license acquired from Finland's Patria. (WZMS)

WARSAW — Poland’s Defense Ministry has ordered 307 Rosomak armored modular vehicles. The vehicles will be delivered from 2014 to 2019, and the contract is estimated to be about 1.65 billion zloty (US $500 million), the ministry said in a statement.

“This marks another ... step towards the implementation of the technical modernization of the Polish Armed Forces by 2022,” Defense Minister Tomasz Siemoniak was quoted in the statement.

The Rosomak is built by local state-owned defense manufacturer Wojskowe Zaklady Mechaniczne Siemianowice (WZMS) under a license acquired from Finland’s Patria. Since 2003, when the previous contract was signed by the ministry, the Siemianowice-based producer has delivered about 570 eight-wheel-drive vehicles to the Polish Army.

In July 2013, WZMS extended the license for producing the Rosomak in Poland for a further 10 years.

The vehicles are deployed to the Army’s 12th Mechanized Brigade in Szczecin, the 17th Mechanized Brigade in Miedzyrzecze, and Poland’s military mission in Afghanistan, according to data from the ministry.

The Rosomak is available in several variants, including combat, reconnaissance, medical evacuation and command.

[Conan le Barbare]

la vidéo en jette

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_TPzN1s9FQ

[La Balafre]

En fait si je comprend bien c'est une sorte de char employable capable d'emporter quelques fantassin à la façon du merkeva 

 

Mais est ce que l'on a une idée du coût ?

 

Et son design m'interpelle, c'est du a quoi ? La furtivité ? Ou c'est juste que les designer se sont lâcher ? 

[syntaxerror9]

Pas mal!

 

Ils ont mis dedans tout ce qu'ils pouvaient en terme de techno high tech.

Ca donne pas envie de s'en approcher.

Mais la tourelle inhabitée, ca va en faire se braquer certains ici je pense.

 

Char employable entre guillemets, car vue la techno embarquée, il doit pas être donné.

 

Ceci dit, je ne suis pas spécialiste dans le domaine, mais chargement auto + tourelle inhabitée + une trappe d'accés par l'arrière pour quelques pax; tout ça me plait bien. C'est un peu l'idée que je me faisais du char du futur.

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[alexandreVBCI]

Tourelle inhabitée et 3 membres d'équipage, il ne transporte pas de fantassins.

[Ptitponey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkm6-s4wCN4

[syntaxerror9]

Tourelle inhabitée et 3 membres d'équipage, il ne transporte pas de fantassins.

Peut être, mais avec cette trappe au cul, à la manière du Merkava, il pourrait, peut être, embarquer de façon spartiate deux ou trois gars en plus, dans les cas d'urgence...

[g4lly]

Peut être, mais avec cette trappe au cul, à la manière du Merkava, il pourrait, peut être, embarquer de façon spartiate deux ou trois gars en plus, dans les cas d'urgence...

 

Oui il est concu comme un VCI avec un gros canon. En pratique c'est un engin d'appui direct, donc pas vraiment un tanl chasseur de char, plutot un engin d'accompagnement de l'infanterie. A l'arriere il y a bien un compartiment pour embarquer des passagers, qui monte et descende pas la porte arrière qui s'ouvre en deux partie - haut / bas -. L'équipage semble placé assez classique avec le pilote devant a gauche et les deux autres derriere lui cote a cote. Le moteur est a l'avant droit. A priori la tourelle n'entre pas ou très peu dans la caisse.

 

Sur cette image d'army reco on voit a peut pres la place disponible derriere le pilote et le moteur pour le compartiment équipage plus passager, ca a l'air aussi grand que sur un CV90 en longueur, c'est tout l'avantage de la tourelle inhabité. A vu de nez il y a au moins 6 bonnes places. Chez army reco il note seulement 4 passagers, peut etre qu'une bonne partie de l'espace en caisse est occupé par des munitions...

 

http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/east_europe/poland/main_battle_tank/pl-01_concept/pictures/PL-01_concept_direct_fire_support_tracked_combat_vehicle_Obrum_Polish_Defence_Holding_industry_military_technology_005.jpg

 

Ici on voit la porte d’accès a la cabine

http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/east_europe/poland/main_battle_tank/pl-01_concept/pictures/PL-01_concept_direct_fire_support_tracked_combat_vehicle_Obrum_Polish_Defence_Holding_industry_military_technology_006.jpg

[Remzou 2.0]

Ce char est vraiment magnifique, les polonais ont pris de l'avance sur ce que pourrait être le char de demain.

Quand doit t'il prendre du service dans l'armée polonaise ?

La Pologne doit être le seul pays en Europe à vraiment investir dans son armée.

[syntaxerror9]

Merci pour les précisions g4lly.

 

J'ai peur qu'on ne voit pas ce char sur le terrain avant des années.

Si les français pouvaient participer à un tel projet, ce serait top.

 

Les polonais ont été pas mal envahis dans le passé (par l'Est ou par l'Ouest); maintenant qu'ils sont indépendants depuis la chute du mur, ils compensent...;)

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[Remzou 2.0]

Une coopération Franco-anglo-polonaise serrait top pour le char du futur, cela doit être les 3 pays en Europe à encore faire le minimum pour son armée voir plus du côtés des polonais.

Ce char est donc un prototype ?

[Sovngard]

@ g4lly

 

Le PL-01 n'est qu'un démonstrateur technologique, conçu sur le châssis du CV-90 suédois, le « vrai » prototype est attendu pour l'année 2016.

 

L'engin présenté au stand pèse 35 tonnes, 30 sans le blindage ventral et latéral.

 

Dans cette vidéo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXbK2fjMDl4#t=0 à partir d'1m27sec, on peut avoir un bref aperçu de à quoi ressemblerait l'intérieur du véhicule, en image de synthèse s'il vous plait.

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[La Balafre]

C'est vrai qu'il est vraiment penser comme le char du futur 

 

Peut etre cher à l'achat du fait de toutes son électronique, mais sa faible masse lui assure une projection sur théâtre d'opération beaucoup plus aisée et une maintenance moins coûteuse ( corrigez moi si je me trompe )  

[Conan le Barbare]

un BPC coutent moins chère qu'une FREMM à l'achat comme à l'entretien... c'est belle et bien l'electronique qui fait la bête (et son coût).

[La Balafre]

Donc son cout d’entretien ne serai pas plus avantageux qu'un mbt ?  

[Conan le Barbare]

 

une version 120mm, une en automateur 155mm, une en T40 et une autre en pur APC et t'as le gros de tes besoin en véhicules couverts :|

[Serge]

Et rappelons que le Type-99 japonais est monté sur un châssis Type-89 rallongé.

[alexandreVBCI]

Encore plus de Leopard 2 pour les polonais : 

The Polish Ministry of Defence (MoD) has signed an agreement for the acquisition of additional Leopard 2 main battle tanks (MBTs) and related military equipment.

 

Signed by Polish Defence Minister Tomasz Siemoniak and his German counterpart, Thomas de Maizière, during a meeting in Poznan, Germany, the agreement requires Germany to transfer materiel, along with related management services to Poland.

 

The agreement specifically includes a total of 105 Leopard 2A5 MBTs, 14 Leopard 1A4 MBTs, 18 Bergepanzer 2 armoured recovery vehicles (ARVs), as well as 200 trucks and peripheral material.

 

Valued at €180m, the agreement also covers related military equipment, including transportation vehicles, machine guns, as well as training and radio location systems, as reported by the news agency.

 

 

http://www.army-technology.com/news/newspoland-leopard-2-tanks-germany

[actyon]

Poland - Army, Mil Mi-8T.

Poland - Army, PZL-Swidnik W-3PL Gluszec.

Poland - Army, Mil Mi-24D.

 

[Serge]

Tout sur le PL-01 :

Is Poland's stealthy PL-01 the tank of the future?

Tyler Rogoway, FA blog

Has Poland's OBRUM and its partners designed the tank of the future? The PL-01 does pack some incredibly valuable features into a fairly compact and modular concept, and yes, it also looks cool as hell!

The idea of the PL-01 is to try and eliminate the infrared, radar and visual signature of the traditional tank to a large degree, while also relying on guile to take identity masking a step further. In addition, the PL-01 concept aims at brining to market a tank packed with relevant modern features, many of which already exist off the shelf, while others are still on the developmental horizon.

The vast majority of targeting sensors on the battlefield today rely on the infrared band of the electromagnetic spectrum to do their bidding. The PL-01 attempts its almost magical infrared signature reduction via the installation of temperature controlled wafers that blanket its exterior. This chameleon's skin of sorts, allows the tank's skin to match the infra-red signature of its surroundings. It does this by processing what small infrared sensors mounted around the tank detect, and then displays a pattern on the tank's honeycomb-like covering that best matches the infrared data collected.

As a result, the tank all but disappears to infrared sensors. Even more outstanding, these wafers can also be used like pixels, as each can be manipulated in temperature. This allows for the tank to use active infrared camouflage, such as tiger stiping its infrared signature in the jungle, or making it flat like the sand in the desert. The PL-01 also lowers its infrared signature through cooling and dispersing the exhaust from its 940 hp diesel engine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wlLqdFsMnCE#t=0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mgi4g7-PikU#t=0

The PL-01's proposed active infrared camouflage system can even go a step further, from concealment to trickery. The tank can even make itself look like a car or another common object, via matching the temperature of its surroundings and then displaying a preprogrammed image on its temperature controlled wafers. This is an amazing countermeasure that, if reliable, can make enemy detection and the creation of a firing solution almost impossible during nighttime operations for a large percentage of any enemy's anti-tank weapon systems.

Active camoflauge for military vehicles is nothing new, in fact it has been tested as far back as the 1940's via mounting lights on aircraft, and later ones that change intensity and shade depending on their background. There are rumors that "visual stealth" was tested on aircraft as late as the 1990's.

Even Boeing's Bird Of Prey program was said to have tested some forms of visual signature reduction. We have also seen YouTube videos of LED suits that use light sensitive receivers to "cloak" an object, or even more incredible this new capability that is straight out of the Predator movie franchise. This is precisely what the PL-01's designers say they are working on for their tank now, and future models are claimed to offer both infra-red and visual "cloaking" and "spoofing" capabilities. Such a technology would work in the same way as the tank's infrared masking capability, basically by using data from video or light sensitive receivers mounted around the tank and displaying the image taken from one side of tank on the opposite side. This is similar to putting a camera behind a flat panel TV and viewing the camera's feed on the TV. If the magnification was right the TV would all but disappear from a distance.

With the miniaturization of technology, I would not doubt if a similar system has been tested on aircraft and even ground vehicles in the US as well. Infrared, and even visual detection, remains a low observable aircraft's "achilles heel," and so called "silver bullet" platforms, meant to kick down the enemy's air defenses, or to spy on an enemy without being detected, could greatly benefit from this technology. Although putting such an elaborate system on a 40 ton tank is very different than installing it on a 15 ton fighter, where weight is always an issue.

The infrared spectrum continues to dominate the ground side of the modern battlefield, especially after dark, so having the ability to blend into your thermal surroundings, or to even look like something totally different than what you actually are, should drastically increase your survivability.

The PL-01 tank is also said to be almost entirely coated with radar absorbing material, and the vehicle's very low-profile and faceted design is said to reduce radar returns in a sizeable manner. This could be quite valuable, as detection of armored formations via standoff strategic platforms using ground moving target indicator (GMTI) radar will increasingly be proliferated throughout the world.

Additionally, radars and missiles that use millimeter wave radar for detection and guidance, such as what is found on the Mi-28N and the AH-64D attack helicopters, are also becoming more common place as a means of attacking armored targets under adverse weather conditions.

Finally, modern fighter and attack aircraft can use their radar systems to detect, and even target armored vehicles, even while those vehicles are moving. With this in mind, lowering the radar signature of a main battle tank, thus decreasing its detection range, can mean the difference between life and death when a roaming pack of enemy multi-role fighters is out hunting for tanks to plink.

The PL-01 is also quite intuitive and efficient with its general design, as it only uses three crew, and has an auto-loading system in its turret that carriers 16 rounds (24 more are stored in the hull). The turret, which is unmanned, is modular in nature, and may allow for different turrets, with different capabilities, to be to be interchanged if need be. The PL-01 was designed to field a 105mm or 120mm smoothbore cannon, that will be capable of firing sabot, high explosive, or guided missile rounds. In addition to the main gun, the PL-01 will have a 7.62mm coaxial gun internally mounted turret right next to the main gun, in a similar configuration to the Abrams, as well as a detachable remotely controlled 7.62 or 50 caliber independent gun turret system.

For the tank's commander, gunner and driver, the latest multi-spectral sensor and targeting systems from BAe and its affiliates are also proposed to be integrated into the stealthy tank. This may include a distributed aperture system (DAS) like spherical situational awareness visual system, similar to what is found on the F-35. Similar systems, albeit of a less complex design than the one found on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, are now being adapted for nautical and land-based applications. In the case of a tank, this could mean that the Tank Commander could potentially wear a helmet mounted sight that would allow him to "see clearly through" the walls of the tank, day or night.

This is done by taking a constellation of staring camera sensors placed on the outside of the vehicle, and then stitching their video images together using software and sheer processing power. This virtual visual sphere can then be projected into the tank commander's helmet mounted site. Think of a virtual tour of a room in a home, but real-time imagery. In effect, such a system would provide a tank commander a full 360' day or night view of the outside of his tank. Additionally, this system could also automatically detect targets, both in the air and on the ground, or even movement around the tank if it is set to do so.

The PL-01 will also sport active defenses in the form of a Trophy like system, where electronic actively scanned array (AESA) radars will be installed around the turret. Once a high-speed projectile is detected moving at a threatening vector, the system will fire one of its countermeasure rockets to intercept and detonate infront of the incoming projectile, thus killing it, or greatly decreasing its kinetic energy, before impacting the tank. Also, laser detection sensors will be distributed around the tank so that early warning of an imminent enemy attack could initiate automatic ejection of infrared and laser masking smoke mortars, which are mounted flush with turret to keep the tank's radar signature low.

The PL-01 basic tank will come stock with level 5 ceramic-composite armor installed on its frontal hemisphere, with level four armor on its flanks. Additional plug and play armor is said to also be an option for working in extremely high-threat environments, such as urban battlefields. Currently the PL-01 weighs in at about 33 tons, with the additional armour it is projected to weigh close to 39 tons. This would put it in at about 3/5's the weight of an Abrams and about ten tons lighter than the fully loaded Russian T-90 main battle tank.

What is also very exiting is that the PL-01, which is based on the Combat Vehicle 90 chassis, will be offered in multiple formats, including a command vehicle, an armored repair vehicle and a mine clearance vehicle. This will allow a forward deployed armored column to work as a single team, using common parts, to accomplish various tasks.

What is also smart, is that designers did not include an ambulance, an armored personnel carrier and other disparate capabilities that would have compromised the effectiveness of its baseline design and most certainly would have added to the PL-01's final cost and overall complexity.

The PL-01 seems like a fantastic concept as it takes a modular approach to proven and effective tank design, while also incorporating new technologies and signature control capabilities that are very intriguing to say the least. Although, as with so many "concept" vehicles and weapon systems, it will be interesting to see if BAe and OBRUM can delivery on their many promises and successfully integrate all these attributes into a reliable and effective weapon system. With that said, the choices as to what technologies to integrate into the PL-01, and how to properly integrate them, seems to be incredibly well thought out and truly intriguing. A full working prototype will be fielded in 2016, with initial production beginning near the end of the decade according to OBRUM, so we will just have to wait and see if Poland and their British friends have truly revolutionized the tank as we know it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=py1P2vVfnl8#t=0

[ippa]

Basé sur le CV90 la bestiole, voila qui doit te plaire Serge ;)

 

Merci pour l'article au demeurant. A t il une change de voir le jour ? A t on une idée du prix ? Un article critique par là http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/03-12-2013/126291-polish_tank_new_generation-0/ que je n'ai pas lu en entier : bébé pleure

 

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[Serge]

J'apprécie beaucoup ses formes. Il n'a pas ces lignes tranchantes typiques des blindés.

Son volume est très naturel avec peu d'ombre.

C'est comme la tourelle CPWS de CMI, ça doit être difficile à déceler.

[Conan le Barbare]

oui il est très "léché". Par contre :

 

is that designers did not include an ambulance, an armored personnel carrier and other disparate capabilities

 

pourtant il est basé sur un CV90 ??? ne devrait-il pas être naturellement un VCI ?

[eikkN]

Une idée du blindage face au 125mm? ça paraît trop light tout de même.

[Froggy]

Il n'y a rien de fonctionnel, c'est juste une maquette en bois et fibre de verre posée sur un CV 90.

Tous les systèmes décrits dans l'article sont à développer