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Lockheed Launches Attack On Gripen's MMRCA Campaign

Si je ne m'abuse cela vient de là :

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/09/exclusive-lockheed-launches-attack-on.html

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[Darkjmfr]

"On achève bien les chevaux" et on commence par le plus faible... Remarquez il serait temps, ça fait dix ans que ça danse (du folklo hein, un pas en avant, un pas en arrière etc.)

[glitter]

Si l'Inde chosit le F-16In (qui est un block-60) est-ce que les EAU vont toucher des royalties? Cela faisait partie du contrat avec LM à l'époque il me semble. Les EAU finançaient la conception du -60 et devaient toucher des $ en cas de ventes à un autre pays.

Il me semblait aussi, enfin bon, on va bien voir.

Par contre, il semble que le Pakistan soit interessé par des F-16 block 50/52, ca ne sent pas bon pour LM tout ca.

[Mani]

Si je ne m'abuse cela vient de là :

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/09/exclusive-lockheed-launches-attack-on.html

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Oui

[TMor]

Si je ne m'abuse cela vient de là :

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/09/exclusive-lockheed-launches-attack-on.html

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Je donne carte blanche à LM pour flinguer du Gripen, d'autant plus que là, il ne faut pas se gêner, quoiqu'on en dise, ça c'est fair-play : la Gripen team n'a qu'à se rhabiller et la jouer plus honnête.

Rien à voir avec les dossiers retrouvés chez Boeing et qui ont conduit Dassault à demander une enquête et des sanctions si nécessaire, parce que là c'était de l'espionnage.

[jolie rouge]

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090918/156169883.html

Russia to complete overhaul of 63 Indian fighter jets in 2013

MOSCOW, September 18 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will finish upgrading MiG-29 fighters in service with the Indian air force in 2013, a Russian defense industry source has said.

Russia's MiG company signed last year a contract with the Indian Defense Ministry to upgrade over 60 MiG-29 fighters, in service since the 1980s.

"The implementation of the contract started last year, and it will be fulfilled in 2013," the source told RIA Novosti on Thursday.

According to the source, during the upgrade the MiG-29s will be fitted with advanced avionics, new multi-functional Zhuk-ME radars, a new weapon control system, as well as revamped engines.

The service life of the aircraft will be extended from 25 to 40 years.

The official said the first four Indian MiG-29 fighters are being modernized and flight-tested in Russia and the remaining aircraft will be overhauled in India with the aid of Russian experts.

The contract stipulates the construction of MiG consignment depots and service centers in India, along with simulators for pilot training.

[Darkjmfr]

@TMor, les dossiers retrouvés c'était chez LM...

[xav]

Et pendant ce temps chez LM...

EXCLUSIVE: IAF Wants Extra Radar Mode On MMRCA AESAs

For all the stated technological advancements present in the only two operational AESA radars competing in the MMRCA competition, the Indian Air Force has informed the two principle integrators (Boeing and Lockheed-Martin respectively) that radar modes available on the Northrop-Grumman AN/APG-80 radar (F-16IN) and the Raytheon AN/APG-79 (F/A-18E/F) do not include a specific one that the IAF refuses to do without: the "weather radar mode". Though both Boeing and Lockheed-Martin tried to convince the IAF that their respective radars (and integrated avionics) were built to provide data and flightpath solutions through, over or around bad weather, the IAF has insisted that it wants the AESAs offered with a traditional weather radar mode as a separate mode option. The default modes demanded by the IAF, excluding interleaved and data-fused modes, are air-to-air search, air-to-air track, ocean surface search, synthetic aperture radar (SAR) mapping, ground/sea target indicator and track and active beam mapping.

Lockheed-Martin has made it official now that the APG-80 radar will therefore undergo a certain amount of further development work to meet the IAF's requirement. This applies to Raytheon as well.

[GABY]

@TMor, les dossiers retrouvés c'était chez LM...

A quelle affaire faîtes vous allusion ? Le marché coreen ?

[Darkjmfr]

Non, le marché indien, ça date d'il y a deux ou trois mois. Les gars de chez lokheed se sont fait choper bêtement (mon cul) avec des dossiers chez eux arrivés là "à l'insu de leur plein gré". Le DG indien de lokheed a sauté suite à cette affaire, mais pas de répercutions sur l'appel d'offres. Nul doute que les relations ont dû être fluidifiées avec force liquide :)

[zx]

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/MMRCA092109.xml&headline=Race is on for India MMRCA&channel=defense

The air force requirement for the MMRCA is based on a maximum all-up weight of 14,000-30,000 kg. (31,000-66,000 lb.). India plans to procure 18 aircraft in flyaway condition and produce 106 locally under license through technology transfer.

“Nobody can take off in Leh with a full weapons load, even with powerful engines,” adds a defense analyst.

The request for proposals (RFP) states the aircraft should be able to take off with a full internal fuel load and significant external load from a runway of 3,300 meters, in air-defense and strike configurations.

Initial weapons to be delivered with the flyaway aircraft include active beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles, antiship missiles with 100-km. (62-mi.) range, air-to-ground and medium-range missiles (with a range of more than 200 km.), and standoff precision-guided munitions (40-km. range).

Gripen will fly with its AESA radar during trials. Saab and Selex Galileo will jointly develop an AESA radar for the Gripen NG. The system will be based on Selex Galileo’s Vixen AESA radar and use components from the Gripen’s PS-05/A and other programs from both companies.

Eurofighter insists the range of mechanically scanned (M‑Scan) Selex Captor radar rivals any AESA. “There are benefits in maintenance because it has no moving parts,” says an official.

The Captor electronically scanned array radar is a research and development effort among Germany, Italy, Spain and the U.K. A prototype called Caesar was flown on a Typhoon developmental aircraft in 2007.

The final configuration of the MiG-35’s onboard equipment is not clear. The MiG-35 Fulcrum-F, a stripped-down version of the MiG-29M OVT, might use the Zhuk-AE (see p. 8), Bars-29 or Elta Systems’ EL/M-2052 radars.

Thales, meanwhile, has a contract to develop the second-generation RBE2 AESA radar for the Rafale from the French defense procurement agency. The transition to active electronic scanning technology, which in the case of the RBE2 involves transmit-and-receive technologies only, will provide new capabilities and enhance performance, while improving reliability and reducing maintenance costs, says Dassault. The AESA antenna will increase the RBE2’s range and angular coverage and make the radar more reliable. “The RBE2 on the Rafale F3 will offer high-resolution ground-mapping modes,” says Thales

[Rom_un]

Eurofighter insists the range of mechanically scanned (M‑Scan) Selex Captor radar rivals any AESA. “There are benefits in maintenance because it has no moving parts,” says an official.

Encore un article bien fiable....

A le lire, on a l'impression qu'entre Typhoon, Gripen et Rafale; et bien c'est le rafale qui est le moins avance dans les radars AESA !

[zx]

Gnarf !  sur les echos (payant), ca va devenir piquant dans le coin

http://www.lesechos.fr/info/aero/020145283987-le-pakistan-fait-appel-a-la-france-pour-muscler-ses-avions-de-chasse.htm

Le pakistan fait appel à la France pour muscler ses avions de chasse notamment ses JF-17 au niveau armement. ca à pas l'air de leur convenir.

Les sociétés ASTRAC et ATE sont sur le coup.

Ils ont aussi leur chaine d'assemblage pour ne plus dépendre directement des

chinois.

iL y'a néanmoins une crainte que les ingénieurs chinois se procurent des mica ou les radar rc400.

ils ont encore 120 Mirages en service.

Ca  risque d'agacer les indiens.

[TMor]

Des Rafaux en Inde sans que ça fasse la une.  ^-^ La vie continue.

[zx]

Tiens, le mig 29 naval est si bon que ca ?  c'est pas très bon pour le f18 et le rafale

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/10/09/333210/india-eyes-follow-on-order-for-naval-mig-29s.html

India could place a follow-up order for more RSK MiG-29K naval fighters after inducting its first four examples in India later this year.

New Delhi took delivery of four aircraft - two MiG-29Ks and two MiG-29KUBs - in February and these were used to train Indian pilots in Russia. The first aircraft is likely to be delivered to the naval base in Goa in November, say industry sources.

These are part of a 2004 order for 12 MiG-29Ks and four MiG-29KUB fighters that was incorporated into a deal for the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov.

The defence ministry is in talks with Russia for the purchase of an additional 29 MiG-29Ks, and this is being considered by an Indian cabinet-level committee, say industry sources.

The order is likely to be worth around $1.1 billion and fits in with the navy's plan to have a combination of high and medium fighters for its air combat capabilities.

"The navy and defence ministry wanted to wait until the final carrier deck tests had been conducted on the initial aircraft. Officials had been in Russia assessing the MiG-29's performance and they are satisfied that it meets India's requirements," says an industry source.

The MiG-29s will operate in tandem with the naval variant of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, which is still under development.

The naval Tejas received a boost in September after the Indian navy agreed to order six aircraft to kick-start its development.

The fighters will operate off an indigenous aircraft carrier that is being developed. It is expected that the first naval LCA will enter service in 2014, when the aircraft carrier is also projected to be ready.

A major hurdle will be the selection of an engine. The Aeronautical Development Agency, which is developing the fighter, is evaluating the General Electric F414 and Eurojet EJ200 engines for the air force Tejas aircraft, but the new powerplants are not likely to be available until 2013 at the earliest. That leaves a very short time frame for them to be evaluated for a naval variant, given that the priority is for the air force aircraft, say the sources.

The ADA is also in the process of selecting a Western partner to help with the development of a naval LCA. EADS was picked earlier to help with the certification and flight tests of the air force variants.

[Darkjmfr]

Je crois que c'est surtout pour compléter l'escadron et avoir un petit volet formation/attrition. A priori chez eux le Mig 29 est vu comme un avion en fin de vie commerciale, ils ne veulent pas en prendre plus, d'autant que leurs futurs PA pourraient avoir des catapultes.

[ARPA]

Tiens, le mig 29 naval est si bon que ca ?   c'est pas très bon pour le f18 et le rafale

Le mig 29 naval est probablement bien meilleurs que les harriers ou que ne le serra le LCA naval. C'est suffisant pour que la marine indienne veuille s'en équiper.

Par rapport au rafale ou au F18, il est même possible qu'il ait une charge utile plus élevée en version STOBAR. Les ralafe et F18 ne sont véritablement meilleurs que le mig 29 que pour les missions air-sol, mais à partir d'un PA STOBAR de 250 m les performances air-sol sont fortement réduites.

[Darkjmfr]

Tiens ça ça sent la merde. J'ai l'impression que chez Dassault India on a bien dormi sur ce coup... (ou alors on est trop forts, on fait semblant pour faire croire qu'on est out, mais en fait on a déjà verrouillé le deal et on reprend le m2k en vendant plus de rafous - allez savoir pourquoi, j'ai des doutes...)

IAF's $11-bn order may become larger

Ajai Shukla / New Delhi October 16, 2009, 0:36 IST

India may go beyond the purchase of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft.

The winner’s jackpot could soon become even bigger in what is already the world’s most lucrative fighter aircraft tender: India’s proposed purchase of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) for an estimated Rs 51,000 crore ($11 billion).

The reason is a breakdown in India’s long negotiations with Dassault Aviation, the French aircraft manufacturer, for upgrading 51 Indian Air Force Mirage-2000 fighters. According to senior IAF sources, Dassault has refused to reduce its quota of Rs 10,000 crore ($2.1 billion) for extending the service life of the IAF’s Mirage-2000 fleet by fitting new radars and avionics. The Ministry of Defence (MoD) considers this price — Rs 196 crore ($41 million) per aircraft — unacceptably high, given that the airframes and engines will not be changed.

In comparison, each of the 126 brand-new, next-generation MMRCAs will cost some Rs 400 crore ($87 million) per aircraft. That includes the cost of technology transfers, as well as capital costs for setting up a manufacturing line in India. Once those costs are amortised, additional MMRCAs would be significantly cheaper.

Dassault’s India head, Posina V Rao, did not return multiple phone calls from Business Standard. MoD sources say Rao is engaged in last-ditch attempts to salvage the deal.

But, the MoD is veering around to the view that the Mirage-2000 fleet should continue service in its current form. After six squadrons (126 aircraft) of MMRCAs have entered IAF service, an additional two squadrons of MMRCAs would be built to replace the 51 Mirage-2000 fighters. That amounts to a 40 per cent rise in the MMRCA’s numbers.

Israeli aerospace companies have reportedly entered the fray, offering to upgrade the Mirage-2000 for half the price being quoted by Dassault. The MoD, however, is not inclined to accept that offer.

Price negotiations for the Mirage-2000 upgrade have travelled a rocky road over two years. Initially, Dassault quoted Rs 13,500 crore ($2.9 billion), which it brought down to the current level of Rs 10,000 crore ($2.1 billion) after the IAF diluted its upgrade requirements. But the MoD believes Dassault’s reduced bid only reflects the diluted requirements, rather than any flexibility on the latter’s part.

The IAF, traditionally a staunch supporter of Dassault and the Mirage-2000 fighter, is apparently changing its views. Dassault, say pilots, has badly damaged its credibility during the recent negotiations by arm-twisting the IAF over the supply of spares for the Mirage-2000 fleet.

The Gwalior-based IAF squadrons that currently fly the Mirage-2000 are Number 1 squadron (Tigers) and Number 7 squadron (Battle Axes).

Five of the six contenders for the MMRCA contract — Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Eurofighter, Gripen and RAC MiG — know they could reap handsome gains, through larger fighter orders, if India chooses not to upgrade the Mirage-2000. The sixth contender, Dassault Aviation itself, realises failure to negotiate the Mirage-2000 upgrade contract could seriously damage the chances of its Rafale fighter for the MMRCA contract.

The fighters in contention for the MMRCA contract are sequentially undergoing flight trials and evaluation, which the IAF expects to complete by April 2010. It will take another six months to finalise the trial report and send that to the MoD, which will then announce the winner of the contract.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/iafs-11-bn-order-may-become-larger/373419/

[TMor]

Je trouve que ça en dit long sur ce que DA pense de l'Inde.

Les indiens veulent le beurre, l'argent du beurre, la crémière et le sourire du crémier. Les autres ont une dignité.

[Darkjmfr]

Malheureux ! parler de dignité en relations internationales :D

Nan chez eux le problème c'est qu'il y a beaucoup d'engrenages qui grippent et qu'il faut du liquide pour fluidifier...

Quand même, quand je regarde le prix demandé pour la mise à jour des 2k ça fait cher 41m$ par zinc alors qu'ils sont largement à mi-vie.

[francois]

ben, faut bien recuperer le liquide servant à arroser... :lol:

[Philippe Top-Force]

Je ne sais pas ce que vous en pensez vous tous, mais les américains engrangent un maximum de vente tout type d'aéronefs en ce moment en Inde.Les Russes se font avoir !

[Darkjmfr]

Mouais les Russes leur ont encore vendu 50 MKI à un nouveau standard, quelques Mig 29K et ils bossent en commun sur le PAK FA, ça fait quand même un gros morceau.

Par contre c'est vrai que les ricains se placent sur certains secteurs stratégiques: P3 Orion, C130 typés spec ops mais pour le moment c'est pas énorme, non?

[P4]

Quand même, quand je regarde le prix demandé pour la mise à jour des 2k ça fait cher 41m$ par zinc alors qu'ils sont largement à mi-vie.

DA doit toujours penser pouvoir placer 40 Rafale de grés à grés.

[Philippe Top-Force]

Mouais les Russes leur ont encore vendu 50 MKI à un nouveau standard, quelques Mig 29K et ils bossent en commun sur le PAK FA, ça fait quand même un gros morceau.

Par contre c'est vrai que les ricains se placent sur certains secteurs stratégiques: P3 Orion, C130 typés spec ops mais pour le moment c'est pas énorme, non?

Normal, pour les MKI au prix où ils sont et puisque tu as déjà des escadrons, autant continuer à en commander.

Faut rajouter les Chinook, puis la volonté de vendre des Hawkeye 2000, qu'ils se positionnent aussi sur le remplacement des Mi26 indiens, Hillary et Barak ne vont pas lâcher les F18/F16 sur ce marché des 126.

développeront un chasseur de cinquième génération (Défense)

11:26 | 15/ 10/ 2009

 

MOSCOU, 15 octobre - RIA Novosti. La Russie et l'Inde projettent de développer conjointement des hélicoptères, des véhicules blindés de combat d'infanterie et un chasseur de cinquième génération, a annoncé jeudi le ministère russe de la Défense à l'issue de la 9e réunion de la Commission mixte pour la coopération militaire et technique.

Les parties sont disposées à coopérer dans la création conjointe d'hélicoptères et d'un véhicule de combat d'infanterie, selon la défense russe. Les Russes et les Indiens ont convenu de régler d'ici fin 2009 toutes les questions d'organisation relatives au développement du chasseur de cinquième génération, et d'aborder les aspects pratiques de sa création.