[Tigre]

[P4]

On s'aligne sur la commande Germanique il me semble.

[Philippe Top-Force]

On s'aligne sur la commande Germanique il me semble.

Oui et non, les besoins initiaux étaient 215 pour Paris et 212 pour Berlin (UHT), puis on parle de modèle capacitaire 2015 à 120 Tigre en parc, puis on commande chacun de son côté, 80 exemplaires.Berlin envisage peut-être de réduire sa cible de dotation puisqu'ils veulent réformer leurs forces armées.

Donc, on ne sait plus vraiment si Berlin va garder ses 80 Tiger.

[P4]

On donne le ton pour une fois.  :lol:

Le H4 sera Franco-Français ou Franco-Allemand?

Y aura il une version armé?

[AMRAAM]

12/17/2010

Eurocopter’s Tiger HAD support and attack helicopter version for France performs its maiden flight

Marignane, France, December 17,

The first pre-serial Tiger HAD (fire support and destruction) for France made its maiden flight from Eurocopter’s Marignane, France facility. It marks an important step towards the Block I initial qualification of the Tiger HAD, which is one of four versions in Eurocopter’s multi-role Tiger combat helicopter family.

During the next several months, Eurocopter will conduct joint testing and development flights of this Tiger HAD along with the first Spanish Tiger HAD – which re-started its flight test sequences three months ago subsequently to its transfer to Spain and lay-up.

The Tiger HAD has a maximum takeoff weight of 6.6 metric tons, a more powerful MTR390 engine, an upgraded optical sighting system, an identification friend or foe (IFF) interrogator, improved ballistic protection and a new electronic warfare system.

In addition, France’s Tiger HADs will have the capacity to launch Hellfire air-to-ground missiles, enabling them to perform multi-role missions that meet a variety of operational needs – including armed reconnaissance, combat support and attack.

To date, 64 Tiger HADs have been ordered: 40 by France and 24 by Spain (of which six are retrofits of previously-delivered HAP versions).

The state-of-the-art Tiger combat helicopter family is available in four main versions, with total orders placed for 206 of these rotary-wing aircraft. Currently, there are 64 Tigers in service with four countries: France, Germany, Spain, and Australia. Of these, three French helicopters have been operating successfully in the Afghanistan theater of operations for the past 16 months.

About Eurocopter

Established in 1992, the Franco-German-Spanish Eurocopter Group is a Division of EADS, a world leader in aerospace, defence and related services. The Eurocopter Group employs approx. 15,600 people. In 2009, Eurocopter confirmed its position as the world’s No. 1 helicopter manufacturer in the civil and parapublic market, with a turnover of 4.6 billion Euros, orders for 344 new helicopters, and a 52 percent market share in the civil and parapublic sectors. Overall, the Group’s products account for 30 percent of the total world helicopter fleet. Its strong worldwide presence is ensured by its 25 subsidiaries and participations on five continents, along with a dense network of distributors, certified agents and maintenance centres. More than 10,500 Eurocopter helicopters are currently in service with over 2,800 customers in more than 140 countries. Eurocopter offers the largest civil and military helicopter range in the world.

http://www.eurocopter.com/site/en/ref/Press-Releases_310.html

[francois]

L'allemagne prevoit d'envoyer 4 tigre en afghanistan en 2012 selon "die welt"

[Babou]

L'allemagne prevoit d'envoyer 4 tigre en afghanistan en 2012 selon "die welt"

Je crois que l'info était déjà passé sur le forum ;)

[Philippe Top-Force]

Je crois que l'info était déjà passé sur le forum ;)

En effet, et je te laisse deviner l'annonceur. =)

[Babou]

En effet, et je te laisse deviner l'annonceur. =)

salut j'me la pète j'appelle Philou :lol: :lol:

;)

Joyeuses fêtes en tous en tous cas ;)

[P4]

Combat-Proven Tiger/ A Conversation with Dominique Maudet

12/21/2010 – The Tiger helicopter has been used by the French military in their Afghan engagement.  The operational role has been to work with two other helo types in providing crucial air capabilities for the French Army.  The impact of operations has highlighted the significance of evolving air-ground integration and capabilities for the French military. We will publish an interview with one of the key users of the Tiger and a man very knowledgeable about Afghan con-ops, former Chief of the COMALAT (French Army Light Aviation Command), General Patrick Tanguy soon. The Tiger has been part of that process.  The Tiger provides a highly maneuverable air asset with a gun which features rapid fire and precision in support of the ground commanders. An upgrade of the Tiger is already being tested and is in the works. Dominique Maudet of Eurocopter provided an overview of the Tiger program in a conversation in October 2010.  Dominique Maudet has been Executive Vice President for Governmental Programs for the Eurocopter Group since the end of 2006.  Prior to that he was Vice President for French Government Sales and Vice-President for Export Sales Operations from 2003-2006.

Credit : Tiger HAD Being Tested, Eurocopter, December 20th, 2010

SLD: I understand from discussions with the French military that the Tiger has been a very important part of the evolving concept of operations, a con-ops which features better integration of air-ground operations.  Could you give a sense of the Tiger operating in Afghanistan?

Dominique Maudet:  We view the Tiger in Afghanistan as a tremendous success.  The French Army has deployed three Tigers in Afghanistan since August 2009.  We support the Tiger in theater as well and the helo has been demonstrating a 90% readiness rate.  The Tiger is used in conjunction with Gazelles, Cougars and EC725 to deliver an integrated capability for the ground forces.

The French Army has deployed three Tigers in Afghanistan since August 2009.  We support the Tiger in theater as well and the helo has been demonstrating a 90% readiness rate. It is used in conjunction with Gazelles, Cougars and EC725 to deliver an integrated capability for the ground forces.

SLD: What is the state of the program and its planned evolution?

Dominique Maudet: It started as a joint Franco-German program built around a single helo configuration.  With the end of the Cold War, the French cancelled their involvement in the anti-tank configuration but the Germans continued with the anti-tank variant. The Germans focused more on a helo used in defensive missions, and the French more towards an attack role.  Both have ordered 80 copies of their versions of the Tiger. The French have ordered 40 copies of the HAP (Hélicoptère d’Appui Protection) version with 40 for a more advanced HAD (Hélicoptère d’Appui Destruction) version.  The HAD is built on the HAP but with air-to-ground missile capability and an enhanced engine which gives about 14-15% more power.  The missile is a hellfire and the engine is an upgrade of the engine built by the current engine team supporting the Tiger. [1]

SLD: So the difference between the current version and the next version is the integration with an air-to-ground missile, and then more propulsion capability?

Dominique Maudet: Exactly.  Today, out of the 40 HAP’s ordered by the French government, 26 have been already delivered, and 4 additional will be delivered before the end of this year, which means therefore that we have ¾ of the current HAPs delivered by the end of 2010.

SLD: Presumably, combat experience is feeding in some shifts in the requirements, and the desired capabilities. I would assume that air-to-ground missiles certainly would be one of them.

Dominique Maudet: Yes indeed. We will start delivering HAD from 2012 onward, for France and Spain.  Spain has joined the French HAD version, and Spain has ordered 24 HAD which come on top of the 40 French.

In the early stage of the program, before Spain joined, just after France and Germany, Australia joined the Tiger program, with quite an advanced version. The Australians have the French HAP version, including the 30 mm gun and the air-to-ground missile; the Hellfire. The Hellfire has already been integrated into the Australian Tiger. It is the air-to-ground missile currently planned to be integrated on the French HAD Tigers, while the Spanish HAP will receive the Rafael missile. The Australians have the more advanced version. The Australian Army has run several live firings of the Hellfire missiles, which have been very, very successful as well.  So, this is why for us, the HAD, at least as far as the air-to-ground capability is concerned, is not a major issue for development.  The most challenging topic for HAD will be the engine development, and schedule.

The HAD, at least as far as the air-to-ground capability is concerned, is not a major issue for development.  The most challenging topic for HAD will be the engine development, and schedule.

SLD: This is a significant evolution you are describing, which is to use this Tiger as almost a lead element in a ground battle with significant integration with the ground forces to deliver the Hellfire in a ground support role. And as C4ISR is evolving, this could provide significant integration capabilities for the ground forces as well?

Dominique Maudet: It is a distinct possibility. The full integration into a, sort of bubble, that is to say, the bubble of the battalion or the bubble of the Army moving ahead, is a question not only of radio, but it’s a matter of data links as well.  But the platform is there available for such integration.

SLD: Let us focus on the gun, which has proven so useful in Afghanistan.

Dominique Maudet: The Tiger can carry up to 450 bullets for the gun, and can shoot very quickly, more than 700 shots per minute. The concept of this gun was envisaged to be installed on the Comanche before the Comanche was cancelled.

SLD: How would compare the Tiger to the Apache?

Dominique Maudet: The Apache is bigger can carry more weapons than the Tiger.  The Tiger is more maneuverable in the battlespace. The Tiger is much lighter than the Apache, and it’s got a very strong engine, and all in all I think the Tiger is leveraging its maneuverability and agility in Afghan operations.

SLD: Finally, could you talk about your engagement with the Australians?

Dominique Maudet: We consider our relationship with the Commonwealth of Australia to be strategic in character. We won the Tiger competition against the Apache 8 years ago, and were then successful with the NH-90 MRH (Multi-Role Helicopter) competition 5 years ago against the Black Hawk. We are now working to win the next competition :the NH-90 NFH (NATO Frigate Helicopter) against the MH-60 Romeo.

The other thing is that we have a significant industrial footprint in Australia.  We are now one of the 2 biggest players of the industrial aerospace industry there.  In Brisbane, we have quite a big facility, which includes helicopter assembly and support, software testing and composites manufacturing.

We have a significant industrial footprint in Australia.  We are now one of the 2 biggest players of the industrial aerospace industry there.  In Brisbane, we have quite a big facility, which includes helicopter assembly and support, software testing and composites manufacturing.

[coquelicot]

Poser dur pour un Tigre français en Afghanistan

Les deux pilotes d'un hélicoptère français Tigre de la force de l'Otan en Afghanistan (Isaf) ont été légèrement blessés lors de l'atterrissage d'urgence de leur appareil, pour des raisons encore inconnues, vendredi soir à l'est de Kaboul.

L'hélicoptère de combat a été contraint d'effectuer un "poser dur"  jeudi vers 22h30 (18h GMT) à une trentaine de km à l'est de Kaboul, selon le lieutenant-colonel Philippe Bou, porte-parole de l'armée française en Afghanistan.

Le Tigre escortait des hélicoptères de transport partis de la base française de Tora, dans le district de Surobi, en direction de la capitale afghane, à une cinquantaine de km de là.

"Une enquête est en cours" pour déterminer les raisons de l'incident, a précisé le lieutenant-colonel Bou, mais "on semble pouvoir exclure un tir ennemi". Les conditions météo étaient mauvaises vendredi soir dans la zone, selon lui.

Source: http://lignesdedefense.blogs.ouest-france.fr/archive/2011/02/05/poser-dur-pour-un-tigre-francais-en-afghanistan.html

[xav]

C'est réparable? En tout cas ils ont récupéré "l'épave"

[Morbach]

C'est réparable?

Réparable ? Difficile à dire vu comme ça.

En tout cas, il a dû cogner dur sur l'arrière, parce qu'il manque un bon bout de la cellule.

[pascal]

Vu la protection passive dont bénéficient les pilotes du Tigre, si ceux-ci ont été "légèrement blessés" on peut imaginer que le posé a été effectivement DUR

D'ailleurs sur le cliché l'hélico n'a plus de poutre de queue ... rupture à l'aplomb du point équidistant du train ppl et de la roulette de queue ou démontage ? on verra

en tout cas la cellule est 100% composite ... çà encaisse ou çà casse il n'y a pas vraiment de juste milieu

[Chris.]

Un Tigre de remplacement va être envoyé en Afghanistan ?

[Arka_Voltchek]

En tout cas, il a dû cogner dur sur l'arrière, parce qu'il manque un bon bout de la cellule.

L'arrière a été démonté pour le transport sous élingue.

[Kovy]

Tigre en support des troupes au sol apres un tir de RPG sur un caracal

[Philippe Top-Force]

Un Tigre de remplacement va être envoyé en Afghanistan ?

La dotation n'est pas extensible, il faut homogénéiser les standards des arrivants et ceux qui sont succeptibles d'être en TOE ne sont pas légion.

[g4lly]

La dotation n'est pas extensible, il faut homogénéiser les standards des arrivants et ceux qui sont succeptibles d'être en TOE ne sont pas légion.

a priori y a pas de raison que ce soit pas réparable?

[Philippe Top-Force]

a priori y a pas de raison que ce soit pas réparable?

Je n'ai pas parlé de réparation sur le Tigre accidenté, je parle du fait qu'il y a moins de 8/Tigre succeptibles d'avoir le standard et l'optimisation pour partir à Bagram en ce moment, puisque Chris se demande s'il pourrait être remplacé en cas de ...

[Lord Aevy]

d'autres photos dispo.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?193738-hard-landing-for-French-Tiger-in-Afghanistan&p=5454064&viewfull=1#post5454064

[Philippe Top-Force]

Ai-je besoin de dire que ce sont mes 2 hélos préférés  :lol:

[FATac]

Tigre en support des troupes au sol apres un tir de RPG sur un caracal

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbTjmCz-Ilk

Cette vidéo est ENORME !

La caméra est bien secouée par les tirs canons (qui ne dispersent pas autant que j'aurai cru, à cette distance).

Ce sont des tirs de roquette, à la fin ? Là, c'est du domaine du "barrage". C'est pas utilisable en cas de collatéral éventuel ... il n'était pas prévu qu'elles soient guidées par laser, à terme ?

[Chaps]

Le tir à la roquette entraine une dispersion supérieure à ce que j'aurai (naivement) imaginé avec les aides aux tirs disponibles.

Le canon semble pas trop mal (sauf la première salve qui semble fort décalée sur la gauche par rapport au viseur au moment du tir) mais franchement pas supérieur aux vidéos des tirs de l'Apache qu'on peut voir ici et là, mais le Tigre tirait à 2km quand même.

[JASHUGAN]

c'est vrai que la vidéo est ENORME ! J'aime le sentiment d'urgence qui s'en dégage, l'équipage du caracal a eu super chaud, et quelle bête ce Tigre...

LE 1er taliban  se fait oblitérer @2:21 par une salve à  1700m, alors qu'il est allongé entre les rochers. Le 2ème taliban lui est tué par un tir à 1250m ensuite il en reprend plein la tronche.

Les roquettes utilisées sont du style multi dart 68 je crois : http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/hybenamon/AVIATION/MUNITIONS/BRANDT/68mmMulti-Dart.jpg

vaut mieux pas être dans la zone quand ils avoinent.

Par contre, 140 munitions de 30mm (sur une capacité de 450) c'est peu surtout quand on voit le rythme auquel elles partent (50 munitions par taliban). Soit ils avaient déjà tiré avant cette vidéo, soit ils réduisent l'emport en munition pour conserver les performances de vol du Tigre dans le relief afghan.

[French Kiss]

D'ailleurs on voit pas trop sur quoi ils tirent les roquettes...