[Tempest] Nouvel Avion de Combat Britannique En Partenariat !

[Lezard-vert]

un aesa spaghetti ?

[prof.566]

Pour être honnêtes, nous venons seulement de réduire la taille de nos RWR en les faisant "full digital" nous aussi je crois.

[zx]

ils ont déjà fait le radar, purée qu'est ce qu'ils vont vite   à cette allure le tempest sera fini avant 2020

 

Tempest : Leonardo dévoile son nouveau radar

https://www.air-cosmos.com/article/tempest-leonardo-dvoile-son-nouveau-radar-22306

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Leonardo UK a démontré les performances d'une nouvelle technologie récepteur/alerte radar dans le cadre du programme Tempest.

Lors d’une démonstration en laboratoire pour le ministère britannique de la Défense et d’autres partenaires du Team Tempest, le nouveau capteur de Leonardo a démontré une performance de radiogoniométrie quatre fois supérieure à celle d’un récepteur d’alerte radar classique.

Pourtant, le système radar ne mesurait qu'un dixième de la taille d'un système standard. Leonardo travaille actuellement sur un nouveau concept de capteurs polyvalents dans le cadre du programme Tempest.

En effet, "à l'avenir, les radars ennemis utiliseront probablement une gamme de technologies et de techniques logicielles pour rendre plus difficile l'identification de leurs signaux, ce qui signifie que les capteurs du Tempest devront être suffisamment sophistiqués pour pouvoir contrer ces techniques et suffisamment flexibles pour être mis à jour en réponse aux nouvelles menaces émergentes”, précise Leonardo.

Les capteurs devront donc également prendre en charge des tâches telles que la collecte de renseignements et l'identification au combat. La récente démonstration en laboratoire portait principalement sur l'alerte radar.

 

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Modifié le 26 décembre 2019 par zx

[g4lly]

  Le 26/12/2019 à 15:46, zx a dit :

Tempest : Leonardo dévoile son nouveau radar

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C'est pas un radar ...

[Picdelamirand-oil]

  Le 23/12/2019 à 19:59, prof.566 a dit :

Pour être honnêtes, nous venons seulement de réduire la taille de nos RWR en les faisant "full digital" nous aussi je crois.

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Qui a dit qu'il fallait être honnête ?

[gargouille]

  Le 26/12/2019 à 17:14, Picdelamirand-oil a dit :

Qui a dit qu'il fallait être honnête ?

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Le Brexit t’inspires ?

[herciv]

Le program tempest veut accélérer.

L'article e profite pour mettre une petite claque au fcas continental.

https://amp.ft.com/content/64011a42-28de-11ea-9305-4234e74b0ef3#

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The UK’s ambitious plans to develop a next generation stealth fighter jet are to accelerate in the coming 12 months, with the four international companies leading the programme preparing to step up recruitment as they race to finalise a business case for the project.

The four founding partners of the Tempest programme — BAE Systems; the UK arm of Leonardo of Italy; MBDA, the European missile maker; and Rolls-Royce — have until December 2020 to complete their analysis of a programme critical to the future of Britain’s combat air capabilities.

“We have to give the government confidence we are working towards a viable international partnership,” said Andrew Kennedy, strategic campaigns director in BAE Systems’ Air division. “They have to be confident we are doing something that will be affordable, capable and delivered on time.” 

To meet the deadline, the companies plan to more than double the total UK workforce involved in the project from the current 1,000 to 2,500 by 2021.

The acceleration of the Tempest programme comes as the UK prepares to carry out a sweeping defence review which will consider the UK’s diplomatic and military place in the world after Brexit.

But with the Ministry of Defence facing a £15bn shortfall in its equipment budget over the next decade, the review will also look at ways the British armed forces can reduce costs.

Tempest is the centrepiece of Britain’s combat air strategy and designed to underline the country’s intention to retain its cutting-edge expertise in spite of Brexit, after being left out of a rival Franco-German future fighter project.

It will eventually replace the Eurofighter Typhoon, which will start to be retired from Royal Air Force service in about 2040, and will complement the US made F-35 stealth fighter jet.

The companies developing Tempest aim to devise a business case that delivers a cutting-edge combat air system — which may include not just advanced weapons but deployable drones — in about half the 20 years it took to take Typhoon from the concept phase to operational service.

“To get this number [of jobs] this early — that is pretty significant,” said Francis Tusa, editor of Defence Analysis. “If you went back to the early 2000s, BAE Systems would have had 3,000 people working on Typhoon. But at this stage of game, to have 2,500 research engineers — that is big.”

The Tempest project was unveiled in the summer of 2018 with initial funding of £2bn-a-year following a decision by France and Germany to leave the UK out of its future fighter jet programme.

Since then, Italy and Sweden have joined the UK project, while Spain has committed to the Franco-German fighter.

Both programmes have continued independently, although many experts believe that they will eventually have to converge. There are questions over whether the UK can afford such an ambitious programme given the funding shortfall in the MoD’s equipment plan and concerns over next year’s budget.

Executives involved in both projects have privately admitted that eventually there will be pressure to merge. However, the longer the two projects continue, the harder it may be to integrate them. “Both sides are very much on their paths,” said one person close to the UK project.

Another senior UK executive said his company had no intention of accepting a secondary role in a project led by Dassault for France and Airbus for Germany, with Safran and MTU collaborating on the propulsion system.

Tempest is considered vital to secure the future of the UK’s £6bn-a-year combat air sector, which has made up more than 80 per cent of the country’s defence exports over the past decade.

“Team Tempest will ensure the UK has the capability to sit at the top table in an international collaborative programme,” said Mr Kennedy.

When the project was launched, the government prioritised international partnerships both to reduce costs and to open up new export markets.

But the collaboration was being done differently than in the past, according to Mr Kennedy. The initial phase of the project was not about sharing out work between partners but “how we will work in the future . . . It is about how to develop capabilities quicker”, he said.

The French and German teams, meanwhile, are determined to limit participation in the first phase of their project, when capabilities are identified, responsibilities are sketched out and work begins on a demonstrator.

“If we open the door to the British, the Scandinavians, the Italians, we will do another 400M and it will be a disaster,” said one executive involved in the Franco-German project. “Every time you add one new partner you multiply the cost by two or three. Everybody wants to impose some specs, which is understandable, but when you build something where five, six or seven people are happy, you build a monster.”

However, the Franco-German project has also been beset by tensions, in particular over the leadership of the engine programme. France’s spending bill for 2020, passed this month in the Senate, raised concerns that the project could be at risk due to serious disagreements between the French and German industrial partners. In early December Safran of France and MTU of Germany reached agreement on a division of responsibilities for the design development and servicing of propulsion system.

 

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[prof.566]

Si vous m'prenezpas j'ferai tout seul, na! Je n'y crois pas du tout au Tempest. (entre autre vu le F-35)

[zx]

faut bien qu'ils disent quelque chose.

[gargouille]

  Le 01/01/2020 à 15:21, herciv a dit :

Le program tempest veut accélérer.

L'article e profite pour mettre une petite claque au fcas continental.

https://amp.ft.com/content/64011a42-28de-11ea-9305-4234e74b0ef3#

  Révéler le contenu masqué

The UK’s ambitious plans to develop a next generation stealth fighter jet are to accelerate in the coming 12 months, with the four international companies leading the programme preparing to step up recruitment as they race to finalise a business case for the project.

The four founding partners of the Tempest programme — BAE Systems; the UK arm of Leonardo of Italy; MBDA, the European missile maker; and Rolls-Royce — have until December 2020 to complete their analysis of a programme critical to the future of Britain’s combat air capabilities.

“We have to give the government confidence we are working towards a viable international partnership,” said Andrew Kennedy, strategic campaigns director in BAE Systems’ Air division. “They have to be confident we are doing something that will be affordable, capable and delivered on time.” 

To meet the deadline, the companies plan to more than double the total UK workforce involved in the project from the current 1,000 to 2,500 by 2021.

The acceleration of the Tempest programme comes as the UK prepares to carry out a sweeping defence review which will consider the UK’s diplomatic and military place in the world after Brexit.

But with the Ministry of Defence facing a £15bn shortfall in its equipment budget over the next decade, the review will also look at ways the British armed forces can reduce costs.

Tempest is the centrepiece of Britain’s combat air strategy and designed to underline the country’s intention to retain its cutting-edge expertise in spite of Brexit, after being left out of a rival Franco-German future fighter project.

It will eventually replace the Eurofighter Typhoon, which will start to be retired from Royal Air Force service in about 2040, and will complement the US made F-35 stealth fighter jet.

The companies developing Tempest aim to devise a business case that delivers a cutting-edge combat air system — which may include not just advanced weapons but deployable drones — in about half the 20 years it took to take Typhoon from the concept phase to operational service.

“To get this number [of jobs] this early — that is pretty significant,” said Francis Tusa, editor of Defence Analysis. “If you went back to the early 2000s, BAE Systems would have had 3,000 people working on Typhoon. But at this stage of game, to have 2,500 research engineers — that is big.”

The Tempest project was unveiled in the summer of 2018 with initial funding of £2bn-a-year following a decision by France and Germany to leave the UK out of its future fighter jet programme.

Since then, Italy and Sweden have joined the UK project, while Spain has committed to the Franco-German fighter.

Both programmes have continued independently, although many experts believe that they will eventually have to converge. There are questions over whether the UK can afford such an ambitious programme given the funding shortfall in the MoD’s equipment plan and concerns over next year’s budget.

Executives involved in both projects have privately admitted that eventually there will be pressure to merge. However, the longer the two projects continue, the harder it may be to integrate them. “Both sides are very much on their paths,” said one person close to the UK project.

Another senior UK executive said his company had no intention of accepting a secondary role in a project led by Dassault for France and Airbus for Germany, with Safran and MTU collaborating on the propulsion system.

Tempest is considered vital to secure the future of the UK’s £6bn-a-year combat air sector, which has made up more than 80 per cent of the country’s defence exports over the past decade.

“Team Tempest will ensure the UK has the capability to sit at the top table in an international collaborative programme,” said Mr Kennedy.

When the project was launched, the government prioritised international partnerships both to reduce costs and to open up new export markets.

But the collaboration was being done differently than in the past, according to Mr Kennedy. The initial phase of the project was not about sharing out work between partners but “how we will work in the future . . . It is about how to develop capabilities quicker”, he said.

The French and German teams, meanwhile, are determined to limit participation in the first phase of their project, when capabilities are identified, responsibilities are sketched out and work begins on a demonstrator.

“If we open the door to the British, the Scandinavians, the Italians, we will do another 400M and it will be a disaster,” said one executive involved in the Franco-German project. “Every time you add one new partner you multiply the cost by two or three. Everybody wants to impose some specs, which is understandable, but when you build something where five, six or seven people are happy, you build a monster.”

However, the Franco-German project has also been beset by tensions, in particular over the leadership of the engine programme. France’s spending bill for 2020, passed this month in the Senate, raised concerns that the project could be at risk due to serious disagreements between the French and German industrial partners. In early December Safran of France and MTU of Germany reached agreement on a division of responsibilities for the design development and servicing of propulsion system.

 

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Vu la participation suédoise c'est sur que dans dix ans le Tempest sera opérationnel.

[Patrick]

  Le 01/01/2020 à 15:21, herciv a dit :

Tempest is the centrepiece of Britain’s combat air strategy and designed to underline the country’s intention to retain its cutting-edge expertise in spite of Brexit, after being left out of a rival Franco-German future fighter project.

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Oh la belle réécriture de l'histoire...

  Le 01/01/2020 à 15:21, herciv a dit :

Another senior UK executive said his company had no intention of accepting a secondary role in a project led by Dassault for France and Airbus for Germany, with Safran and MTU collaborating on the propulsion system.

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Apparemment ils voulaient pas non plus avoir de rôle dans le FCAS-DP. Et ça ne les a pas choqué pour l'Eurofighter donc je ne les crois pas pour les allemands.

  Le 01/01/2020 à 15:21, herciv a dit :

The companies developing Tempest aim to devise a business case that delivers a cutting-edge combat air system — which may include not just advanced weapons but deployable drones — in about half the 20 years it took to take Typhoon from the concept phase to operational service.

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Dans cet univers parallèle au nôtre, la France aura des X-Wings et l'étoile de la mort au même moment.

  Le 01/01/2020 à 15:21, herciv a dit :

“If we open the door to the British, the Scandinavians, the Italians, we will do another 400M and it will be a disaster,” said one executive involved in the Franco-German project. “Every time you add one new partner you multiply the cost by two or three. Everybody wants to impose some specs, which is understandable, but when you build something where five, six or seven people are happy, you build a monster.”

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Un autre A400M... Ou un autre Eurofighter...
Et si on va au bout de la logique, alors autant le faire tout seul.
Ou alors le message c'est comme disait Desproges: "quand on est plus de quatre on est une bande de cons"?
Il faut donc retrancher une personne parce que l'Eurofighter a été fait à 4...

[TarpTent]

  Le 01/01/2020 à 19:18, Patrick a dit :

Ou alors le message c'est comme disait Desproges: "quand on est plus de quatre on est une bande de cons"?
Il faut donc retrancher une personne parce que l'Eurofighter a été fait à 4...

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Pour rendre à César, Desproges s’est inspiré de Georges Brassens, qui dans sa chanson « Le Pluriel » dit « Le pluriel ne vaut rien à l'homme et sitôt qu'on  / Est plus de quatre on est une bande de cons. ». D’où la reprise de Desproges, en réponse-miroir « Quand on est plus de quatre on est une bande de cons. A fortiori, moins de deux, c'est l'idéal. »

 

Où l’on revient aux revendications de Patrick : Puisque seul, on ne peut être une bande de cons, faisons notre NGF seul  (et laissons les anglais et allemands à leurs bandes respectives).

[zx]

plus il y a de monde dans un projet, plus les acteurs veulent la plus grosse part. Au fait qui est maître d'oeuvre sur le tempest ?

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[gargouille]

  Le 01/01/2020 à 20:28, zx a dit :

plus il y a de monde dans un projet, plus les acteurs veulent la plus grosse part. Au fait qui est maître d'oeuvre sur le tempest ?

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Des anglais.

[Kelkin]

  Le 01/01/2020 à 15:21, herciv a dit :

The Tempest project was unveiled in the summer of 2018 with initial funding of £2bn-a-year following a decision by France and Germany to leave the UK out of its future fighter jet programme.

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C'te mauvaise foi...

[kalligator]

Oui mais bon on a l'habitude Johnny Englisch, Benny Hill Tony Blair...tout plein de rigolo qu'on ne prend pas au sérious

[Bruno]

  Le 01/01/2020 à 18:55, gargouille a dit :

Vu la participation suédoise c'est sur que dans dix ans le Tempest sera opérationnel.

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[casoucasou]

  Le 01/01/2020 à 19:29, TarpTent a dit :

Pour rendre à César, Desproges s’est inspiré de Georges Brassens, qui dans sa chanson « Le Pluriel » dit « Le pluriel ne vaut rien à l'homme et sitôt qu'on  / Est plus de quatre on est une bande de cons. ». D’où la reprise de Desproges, en réponse-miroir « Quand on est plus de quatre on est une bande de cons. A fortiori, moins de deux, c'est l'idéal. »

 

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Et je crois que c Churchill qui disait "pour prendre un décision, il faut être un nombre impair... Et trois c'est déjà beaucoup."

[P4]

R&R serait bien avancé pour présenter un démonstrateur de motorisation du Tempest.

 

 Rolls-Royce développe un démarreur électrique pour le futur chasseur de la Royal Air Force

 

[clem200]

C'est le journaliste de l'article qui ferait mieux de démarrer ... Tu comprends vite qu'il ne comprend rien ^^

[Patrick]

  Le 16/01/2020 à 22:09, P4 a dit :

R&R serait bien avancé pour présenter un démonstrateur de motorisation du Tempest.

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"Un démonstrateur d'alternateur intégré aux soufflantes du moteur" serait plus juste.

Et si l'idée est séduisante, les obstacles sont nombreux.

[Lordtemplar]

Le Japon dit non au Tempest et a la cooperation avec le RU pour leur next gen.  S'ils auront besoin d'aide ce sera avec les US.

Donc a priori il reste la Turquie et l'Inde comme partenaire "potentiel" au Tempest

https://www.meta-defense.fr/2020/03/06/la-japon-tourne-le-dos-aux-britanniques-pour-son-avion-de-nouvelle-generation-f-x/

Coup dur pour l'equipe Tempest car pas vraiment de partenaire (la Suede a dit non a Tempest, mais travailleront avec les UK sur la recherche pour ameliorer le Gripen et Typhoon, et l'Italie n'est toujours pas a bord sur le projet sauf Leonardo qui est fournisseur mais n'apporte pas de capitaux ou des commandes). 

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[gargouille]

  Le 08/03/2020 à 11:52, Lordtemplar a dit :

Le Japon dit non au Tempest et a la cooperation avec le RU pour leur next gen.  S'ils auront besoin d'aide ce sera avec les US.

Donc a priori il reste la Turquie et l'Inde comme partenaire "potentiel" au Tempest

https://www.meta-defense.fr/2020/03/06/la-japon-tourne-le-dos-aux-britanniques-pour-son-avion-de-nouvelle-generation-f-x/

Coup dur pour l'equipe Tempest car pas vraiment de partenaire (la Suede a dit non a Tempest, mais travailleront avec les UK sur la recherche pour ameliorer le Gripen et Typhoon, et l'Italie n'est toujours pas a bord sur le projet sauf Leonardo qui est fournisseur mais n'apporte pas de capitaux ou des commandes). 

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A bon, pourtant dans la communication du Tempest il est bien dit que c'est un avion tri nations avec les anglais, italiens et suédois.

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[Picdelamirand-oil]

  Le 08/03/2020 à 15:34, gargouille a dit :

A bon, pourtant dans le comme du Tempest il est bien dit que c'est un avion tri nations avec les anglais, italiens et suédois.

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Si tu prends pour argent comptant tout ce que disent les Anglais 

[zx]

Si au moins ils ont quelque chose de qualité reconnu par le monde, c'est bien leur système de désinformation.

Modifié le 8 mars 2020 par zx