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N'oublier pas qu'ils sont que 1.5 milliards de dollards de budget defense donc exit VBCI,Tigre,caesar,Mamba...

 

Vu que l'achat serais "cadeau", tu fais référence au coût de la maintenance, je suppose, mais Caesar ou VBCI, ne sont ils pas supposés être relativement bon marché ?

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Euh non pas vraiment. L'Arabie Saudite n'a pas directement liberté les rebelles Syriens en missiles AT depuis son stock, c'est plutôt des achats tiers livrés à qui peut aligner un T-72 au son d'Allah o Akbar payés par la pétro-dictature monarchique. L'article de FP parle plutôt d'un achat qui viendra remplacer le stock actuel qui pourrait lui être livré sur tous les fronts où les intérêts de l'Arabie est en jeux. 

 

Pour ce qui est de l'armée Libanaise, la question première qu'il faut se poser c'est qui va payer les coûts d'entretient. Si c'est l'Arabie, cela créerait une dépendance vis à vis de la maison Saud qui ne veut pas forcément la stabilité au Liban. 

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Embraer Advances as Estado Says Lebanon May Buy Attack Planes

Embraer SA (EMBR3) rose to a three-month high after newspaper O Estado de S. Paulo reported that Lebanon is considering the purchase of at least 10 attack planes from the Brazilian manufacturer.

The shares rose 1.3 percent to 19.13 reais at 3:54 p.m. in Sao Paulo. A close at that level would be the highest since Sept. 11. It was the best performer on the Ibovespa (IBOV) stock benchmark, which dropped 2.3 percent.

Lebanon is considering buying 10 to 12 A-29 Super Tucano attack planes from Embraer as the Mideast country modernizes its armed forces, Estado reported without saying where it got the information. Embraer’s military sales more than doubled from 2005 through 2012, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Chief Executive Officer Frederico Curado said on an Oct. 31 conference call with analysts that he expects defense revenue to grow at least 10 percent in dollars this year.

The Sao Jose dos Campos, Brazil-based company’s press office didn’t immediately reply to a phone call and e-mail seeking comment when contacted by Bloomberg News.

Embraer, which gets about 80 percent of its revenue from outside Brazil, also gained as the real fell to a level weaker than 2.4 per dollar for the first time in four months as the central bank began scaled-back support for the currency.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-02/embraer-advances-as-estado-says-lebanon-may-buy-attack-planes.html

 

Ils veulent acheter du A-29 Super Tucano ...

Pourquoi ne pas leur proposer des Alphajet pour court circuiter les Brésiliens ? Sa serait une bonne alternative pour eux , et c'est tout benef pour les Français 

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Mais non je parle d'alphabet neufs ! Bien sur neuf ils ont 3 milliards hein il y a de quoi faire . Ils veulent acheter une douzaine de super tucano , vous pouvez bien leur proposer par exemple une quinzaine d'alphajet , il couvre largement leur besoin , pas trop offensif pour ne pas déranger Israël . C'est la meilleure alternative

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Il y a eu en juin de cette année une petite sauterie qui a quand même durée 2 jours et fais 17 morts du coté de l'armée, en sus de 4 véhicules détruits. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sidon

 

 

Sur cette page il y a regroupé les différants "incidant" de l'année 2013, et le moins qu'on puisse dire c'est que l'armée a eu fort a faire a de nombreuses reprises et que la situations est des plus tendu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war_spillover_in_Lebanon#Second_Sidon_clash

 

 

Exacte, on peinerait a voir qui est visé si jms ca se concrétise  :happy:

effectivement .

 

et au vu de ses opérations le point de vue de loac est pertinent du point de vue emploi tactique .

 

Politiquement et économiquement je ne sais pas mais , tactiquement, l achat de VBCI  serait a mon avis un bon choix pour l armée Libanaise .

il est vrai que le contexte d'emploi d'un VBCI en service dans l'armée Libanaise est tactiquement intéressant pour eux .

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Un VBCI est un poids lourd blindé, mécanique, essieux, moteur, transmission vient ou son deriver du civil....

En enlevant la partie tourelle on est pas beaucoup plus chère à l'entretien qu'un camion comme le futur PPT

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Si on fournit aux Libanais des VBCI en configuration APC, sans la tourelle et le canon calibre 25 mm, ça ne devrait pas poser trop de soucis. On pourrait même leur fournir de quoi augmenter leurs capacités d'entretien, ça devrait tenir dans les 3 milliards fournis par les Saoudiens.

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Si on fournit aux Libanais des VBCI en configuration APC, sans la tourelle et le canon calibre 25 mm, ça ne devrait pas poser trop de soucis.

Quel intérêt dans le hachoir à takfiris livré dans le modèle de série? Ca sera mieux qu'un M113, mais ça devient juste un VAB mieux blindé.

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Ce serait déjà mieux, non ? Si j'en crois ule DSI de novembre 2010, la version VBCI-VTT peut emporter 12 soldats, tout en étant doté d'un tourelleau téléopéré (capable de porter un canon calibre 20 mm, une mitrailleuse calibre 12,7 mm ou un lance-grenades). Et comme il n'y a pas de tourelle, il y a 2 400 kg de charge utile supplémentaire, ce qui permet de caser des grilles anti-RPG, des blindages rapportées ou d'augmenter la capacité d'emport.

 

Pour faire du combat urbain ou faire respecter la loi dans les camps palestiniens, c'est tout à fait valable. Et ça reste bien plus moderne que des VAB.

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Il serait intéressant d'avoir des stats "confessionnels" dans cet armée. Combien de chiite, combien de sunnites, de chrétiens, combien se déclarant musulman mais "neutre" ( je pense que ces dernier sont assez nombreux, car c'est un pays multiconfessionnel mais laics).

Je crois qu'ils font pas de stat à ce niveau au niveau population totale, mais c'est kif kif, ya bcp de chrétiens au liban, maronites, c'est quasi la moitié de la population du liban.

 

Car une armée trop noyauter par les intérêts saoudiens pourraient voir une partie de cette armée qui ne serait pas sunnite,  se rebeller. et finir comme durant la guerre du liban, et là, c'était pas un camp, mais des dizaines de groupes se combattant les uns les autres, s'alliant parfois, pour se recombattre ensuite.

 

 

Nop !

 

 

 

Lebanese Ground Forces

By 2008 Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defense Elias Murr and Lebanese Army Commander General Michel Sleiman had developed a vision for transformation of the Lebanese Army to a more Special Operations-capable force equipped with a Close Air Support capability such as attack helicopters. The Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) had faced difficulties during the Nahr Al Bared (NAB) campaign in the summer of 2007. The LAF lost a total of 176 service members as a result of the fighting. (At the end of NAB, the LAF had 168 KIA. Since that time, and additional six soldiers have died of their wounds. The two Red Cross workers who were killed at NAB are now counted in LAF casualties.) The LAF had a hard time because of the narrow streets in the camp and the lack of equipment and ammunition for the LAF, and the LAF force structure and training did not meet national requirements.

The primary purpose of this transformed army would be to address terrorist threats inside Lebanon. Syria is still assisting the terrorists that are present in all thirteen of the Palestinian camps. Other Arab nations are using the camps in Lebanon as a dumping ground for their "dirty people."

At the strategic level, Murr said it was apparent that the army needed to shift its training and equipping focus to support more counter-terrorism operations. Murr said, "we don't need this heavy army that was trained and equipped by the U.S. in 1983. Things have changed since 9/11 and we need to rely more on special forces and fewer heavy brigades. We need light and medium weapons and attack helicopters to back up the grond troops." Murr surmised that he needed 10-15,000 Special Forces troops organized in 10-15 Special Forces regiments supported by 20-25,000 conventional troops. He thought that the army's current end strength of 60,000 was too large for the missions assigned. Murr wanted to only retain the five heavy brigades and place them on the borders. The remaining six brigades, and the five intervention regiments, would be disbanded and those personnel billets would be used as billpayers for the new SF Regiments.

The intent was to place all of these special forces under a single command structure that will be known as the Lebanese Special Operations Command (LSOC). The units that will comprise this command are the Marine Commando Regiment, the Ranger Regiment, the Air Assault Regiment and the Mountain Battalion that was being trained and equipped by the French.

Christians will not enlist to be regular infantrymen who are deployed in the south and on the borders as this places them too far away from their families who predominantly live near Beirut. More importantly, Lebanese law requires that the Army be 50% Christian and 50% Muslim. There is much room for the Christian population in the Army to grow. During a recent recruiting drive, there was a call for 5,000 troops; 50,000 men appeared for review. Of these 50,000, 45,000 were only interested in SF duty. There were over 8,600 Christians from Mount Lebanon, a Christian area, who showed up to enlist in Special Forces.

Recruitment efforts over the two years 2006-2008 netted 20,000 new troops for the Army at the same time that many draftees had been leaving the army. When this process began, the Shia accounted for 58% of the enlisted force; now they comprise 25% of the enlisted ranks. At the same time, the Army was able to bring the Christians to 25% and the Sunni/Druze component to 50% of the enlisted ranks. The Shia no longer "pose a threat" to the LAF, even if Nasrallah were to call on them to leave the army [as happened in 1984].

The Sunni troops in the Army are very loyal. Most of the Sunni troops in the Army come from the economically depressed region of Akkar in northern Lebanon. Every one that joins the Army from the north usually has an extensive network of family members who are also in the Army. As for the Shia, they come to the Army for a salary and to eat. Christians come with a sense of community service; this is why the elites want to serve in Special Forces. You won't hear this from the Army, but it is their reality.

GlobalSecurity.org

 

 

 

Lebanon says gas, oil reserves may be higher than thought

By Laila Bassam

BEIRUT Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:08pm EDT

(Reuters) - Lebanese Energy Minister Gebran Bassil said new estimates for nearly half of Lebanese waters suggested the country's reserves of natural gas and oil might be larger than previously thought.

"The current estimate, under a probability of 50 percent, for almost 45 percent of our waters has reached 95.9 trillion cubic feet of gas and 865 million barrels of oil," he said.

The estimates are based on seismic surveys conducted ahead of an auction for exploration rights which has already been delayed by several months by a political stalemate in Lebanon.

As Lebanon prepares to move toward exploring and developing its offshore oil and gas resources, Bassil said he hoped that hydrocarbon revenues would give the country "political, economic and financial independence".

"This definitely needs more exploration and drilling activities to get more precise figures, but this is an indication that with more work surveys and analyses, we are getting higher results and higher expectations," he said in an interview at the Reuters Middle East Investment Summit.

The figures are the first estimates by the government for such a large area of Lebanon's 10 exploration blocs, which range from 1,500 to 2,500 square kilometers, and appear to imply higher reserves than several previous estimates.

A 2010 U.S. Geological Survey study estimated that the Levantine Basin, an area of 83,000 square km which includes waters outside Lebanon's jurisdiction in the eastern Mediterranean, held 122 trillion cubic feet of recoverable natural gas and 1.7 billion barrels of recoverable oil.

An analyst at survey firm Spectrum estimated in May that the country's total deepwater gas reserves could be up to 80 trillion cubic feet.

DEBT, POWER SHORTAGES

Lebanon has been hoping that sizeable gas discoveries could help address both its high level of government debt and its chronic domestic power shortages.

But progress will be difficult given the country's political turmoil, after Prime Minister Najib Mikati resigned in March amid partisan squabbling that has stalled most government decisions.

Earlier this month, Bassil said he had delayed Lebanon's offshore gas licensing round by another month until January after politicians failed to form a new government, which is needed to approve decrees to launch the bidding process.

Without approval of those documents, Lebanon's efforts to exploit maritime reserves are on hold and 46 companies it selected in April to bid for gas exploration will have to wait.

Bassil said that although no companies had formally withdrawn from the bidding round because of the delays, some were "hesitant and there are questions being raised".

Drilling could also be delayed in southern exploration blocs by disputes over a maritime border between Lebanon and Israel that has never been delineated because the two countries are technically at war.

Bassil warned in July that Israel had the technical ability to draw from Lebanese underwater gas fields. Israel's Energy Ministry declined to comment on Bassil's remarks.

In addition to the tensions within Lebanon's cabinet, economic activity in the country has been hurt by a spillover of sectarian violence from the Syrian civil war next door; clashes continued on Sunday in the Lebanese coastal city of Tripoli.

Separately, Bassil said an onshore oil and gas survey was moving ahead as planned, in the hope that surveys of Lebanon's Mediterranean waters could be matched by similar prospects on land.

He said one of five 2-D seismic surveys had been completed and a second was to start next week.

(Writing by Oliver Holmes; Editing by Andrew Torchia)

Reuters

 

 

 

Liens de pouvoir de l'Arabie Saoudite avec le Liban du coté sunnite...

 

Al-Waleed bin Talal  Rafic Hariri  Saad Hariri

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La décision saoudienne d’accorder 3 milliards de dollars pour équiper l’armée libanaise en matériel français est le fruit d’une proposition française présentée au roi Abdallah.

Paris et Riyad se seraient mis d’accord pour confier à l’ODAS la gestion de ce programme, cette structure étant la seule habilitée à gérer les contrats militaires entre les deux pays. Une commission franco-libanaise devrait se réunir à Paris, cette semaine, pour étudier une liste de besoins présentés par Beyrouth et fixer l’ordre des priorités.

 

Suite : http://www.ttu.fr/paris-va-equiper-larmee-libanaise/

 

C'est donc la France qui aurait eu l'idée... 

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