Marine suédoise

[Bat]

 

 

 

---------------------->OK, je sors

[Rob1]

Au point où on en est :

 

[Flippy]

[Mode guerre froide on]

 

Peut on imaginer que la Russie est délibérément envoyer un "faux sos" depuis les eaux territoriale Suédoise dans le but de tester la réaction du pays (ainsi que celle des partenaires européen) ?

 

[Mode guerre froide off]

[penaratahiti]

C'est un Trafalgar le soum non?

[Kiriyama]

Apparemment la Suède est revenue bredouille de sa chasse au sous-marin. Si on ajoute les avions de chasse russes qui survolent régulièrement leur territoire en toute impunité (même si quelques-uns se font de temps à autres intercepter) ça fait relativiser l'efficacité légendaire des armées nordiques.

 

Maintenant on accuse la Russie mais lorsqu'il y avait eu, dans les années 80, des histoires d'incursions dans leurs eaux territoriales, on avait accusé les Soviétiques. Or, maintenant il est quasiment sûr que c'était des sous-marin anglais ou américains qui venaient "tester" les Suédois.

[Philippe Top-Force]

Sous-marin mystérieux - les Suédois à la recherche d'un Triton NN russe ? http://t.co/bupwd74AN9 via @ActuNautique

— Philippe Top-Action (@top_force)

October 22, 2014

 

@ActuNautique Voir le TRITON NN des Spetsnaz https://t.co/aU6DMz1Qsg pic.twitter.com/fxorQMDeRJ

— Philippe Top-Action (@top_force)

October 22, 2014

 

@ActuNautique Le Triton NN est une navire hybride, mi-vedette rapide (30 à 40 noeuds), mi-sous-marin, destiné à l'infiltration de commandos

— Philippe Top-Action (@top_force)

October 22, 2014

[LBP]

Apparemment la Suède est revenue bredouille de sa chasse au sous-marin. Si on ajoute les avions de chasse russes qui survolent régulièrement leur territoire en toute impunité (même si quelques-uns se font de temps à autres intercepter) ça fait relativiser l'efficacité légendaire des armées nordiques.

 

Maintenant on accuse la Russie mais lorsqu'il y avait eu, dans les années 80, des histoires d'incursions dans leurs eaux territoriales, on avait accusé les Soviétiques. Or, maintenant il est quasiment sûr que c'était des sous-marin anglais ou américains qui venaient "tester" les Suédois.

A bon ?

[g4lly]

A bon ?

 

Des manoeuvre politicienne pour mettre en défaut le gouvernement suedois trop "socialiste" ... voir les incidents d'octobre 1982.

[Tonton Flingueur]

Suède: abandon des recherches du sous-marin

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2014/10/24/97001-20141024FILWWW00049-suede-abandon-des-recherches-du-sous-marin.php

[Kiriyama]

Est-ce que l'on était sûr qu'il s'agissait d'un sous-marin ? La photo qui le montrait n'était pas très claire. De plus pourquoi ce sous-marin aurait fait surface juste devant les côtes suédoises ? S'il avait été en difficulté il aurait été repéré facilement.

[Rob1]

Ca ressemble à une grosse chasse au dahu en fin de compte. 

[Kiriyama]

Les intrusions des avions russes ont dû les rendre paranos.

[Tonton Flingueur]

Les intrusions des avions russes ont dû les rendre paranos.

Possible, si certains cherchent a faire voter des crédits supplémentaire pr l'armée, l'idée n'est pas complètement bête non plus ^^ 

[kalligator]

Epatant ce triton mi vedette mi sous-marin, j'en commande un pour noel

[g4lly]

Epatant ce triton mi vedette mi sous-marin, j'en commande un pour noel

 

C'est assez courant ce genre d'engin, les suédois vendent le SEAL carrier, les coréen le VOGO SDV1000W, les américain le Stidd MRCC ... les maitres en la matiere c'est Subskimmer, il ont un zodiac qui devient sous marin en quelques instant :lol:

 

 

[Philippe Top-Force]

Je lis Suède: fin des recherches du sous-marin inconnu http://t.co/VlB3nUXR5Y

— Philippe Top-Action (@top_force)

October 24, 2014

 

En fait, c'était Saab Kockums naval qui faisait des essais de A26  http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Naval/Kockums-Naval-Solutions/ Sacré pub pour les systèmes de détections suédois!

[Serge]

Saab Confident in Its Kockums Submarine Builders

Oct. 29, 2014 - 05:03PM | By CHRISTOPHER P. CAVAS

PARIS — The return last summer of the Kockums shipbuilding firm to Swedish ownership and control marked a rare moment when the public, government and industry all joined in approval.

“I think this is one of the first times we have seen a very positive reception from everyone in the country,” said Gunilla Fransson, head of the Saab Kockums Security and Defense Solutions unit. “Now we have a way forward.”

Fransson spoke to reporters Wednesday here at the Euronaval exposition just outside Paris, where Saab and its new Kockums acquisition are re-establishing their identity as submarine builders with a distinctly Swedish bent.

“We have created Saab Kockums,” Fransson said. “The strength of Saab as well as the shipyard capabilities of Kockums. We already have a strong underwater unit, and together we form the naval part of Saab.”

Fransson ticked off various Saab efforts in developing naval systems, but said, “Saab has not been famous for doing ships. Using the name Kockums is showing that this is a Saab company doing ships.”

She likened the monicker to other Saab activities, including Saab Gripen, specializing in aircraft development and construction, and Saab Barracuda, a US-based operation working on security and defense systems.

Saab Kockums, Fransson declared, is eager to compete for naval business worldwide, ranging from ships to systems.

“We believe that the world naval business is an industry cooperation business,” she said. “We should never say we can only supply a complete system. That’s one thing, but in the rest of the market there will be other opportunities.”

Saab views itself as a major systems integrator, Fransson said. “Our strength is sometimes to be a naval integrator. … We want to be a prime systems integrator, including using our competitors’ products.”

The relationship between Kockums and its German ownership was always rocky after Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werftacquired the previously state-owned Swedish shipbuilding firm in 1999. Absorbed into the ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) conglomerate in 2005, relations only got worse, and suspicions were rife that the acquisition’s primary purpose was to drive Kockums out of the submarine design and building business.

Beginning in February, Fransson said, the Swedish government “came to us saying they wanted underwater capabilities to be a national interest, and they would like Saab to secure the underwater capability.

“We did not say no to that,” she said.

Despite nearly 15 years of foreign ownership, Kockums “remained very much a Swedish company, and was not really integrated into TKMS,” Fransson said.

“There was not a lot of cooperation between TKMS and Kockums before the split,” she noted, “and there is not a lot of cooperation today.”

The two companies, she said, “have good relations — but on a personal level.”

At the Swedish government’s direction, Saab Kockums has restarted the A26 submarine program and is gearing up for design and construction. Fransson was confident about the challenges of restarting construction of specialized naval ships.

“Even if we haven’t built a new submarine in 20 years, we’ve still [handled] the support and maintenance for the Swedish Navy — every year with a submarine in the shipyard” for overhaul.

Much of the shipbuilding expertise remains among the 900 employees absorbed into Saab with the Kockums acquisition.

“We have many people who have stayed at this company 30, 40 years,” she said. “We still have a lot of competence — the competence I trust is there. We have a lot of very strong naval people in Sweden, and they are very attached to Kockums. I’m not worried about the competence.”

The management team is split about half and half between Saab and Kockums people, she said. “I think all the management team have between 20 and 30 years of experience.” And, she added, “we have naval officers that are coming back.”

Under a government contract, Saab Kockums is reviewing the A26 design, “making sure it’s up to the requirements for today. It’s not a basic redesign of the ship,” Fransson added, “but we’ll revalidate the subsystems and subsuppliers.”

Saab Kockums expects the Swedish Navy to decide on the A26 submarines and begin detail design and construction within a couple years. The aim, Fransson said, is to have the first A26 delivered in 2022.

Under TKMS, Kockums was not allowed to market its submarine designs for export, a chief frustration among the Swedes, who were especially proud of their work on the Australian Collins class, an enlarged version of a Kockums design for the Swedish Navy.

Now, the company is eager to re-establish itself in Australia, where the government plans to build a new class of 12 submarines to replace the six Collins vessels.

“My vision is for this to be part of Australia’s new generation of submarines,” Fransson declared. “We have a relationship between Australia.”

Saab, she said, has had employees living in Australia for 20 years supporting military programs, “and we’re seen as an Australian company. That’s Saab. Now with Kockums we can be a serious local bidder for the submarines.

“For me,” she added, “it’s a target for us to bid on the new submarines, and then of course it’s up to Australia to choose which way to go.”

Email: ccavas@defensenews.com.

Saab Confident in Its Kockums Submarine Builders

Oct. 29, 2014 - 05:03PM | By CHRISTOPHER P. CAVAS

PARIS — The return last summer of the Kockums shipbuilding firm to Swedish ownership and control marked a rare moment when the public, government and industry all joined in approval.

“I think this is one of the first times we have seen a very positive reception from everyone in the country,” said Gunilla Fransson, head of the Saab Kockums Security and Defense Solutions unit. “Now we have a way forward.”

Fransson spoke to reporters Wednesday here at the Euronaval exposition just outside Paris, where Saab and its new Kockums acquisition are re-establishing their identity as submarine builders with a distinctly Swedish bent.

“We have created Saab Kockums,” Fransson said. “The strength of Saab as well as the shipyard capabilities of Kockums. We already have a strong underwater unit, and together we form the naval part of Saab.”

Fransson ticked off various Saab efforts in developing naval systems, but said, “Saab has not been famous for doing ships. Using the name Kockums is showing that this is a Saab company doing ships.”

She likened the monicker to other Saab activities, including Saab Gripen, specializing in aircraft development and construction, and Saab Barracuda, a US-based operation working on security and defense systems.

Saab Kockums, Fransson declared, is eager to compete for naval business worldwide, ranging from ships to systems.

“We believe that the world naval business is an industry cooperation business,” she said. “We should never say we can only supply a complete system. That’s one thing, but in the rest of the market there will be other opportunities.”

Saab views itself as a major systems integrator, Fransson said. “Our strength is sometimes to be a naval integrator. … We want to be a prime systems integrator, including using our competitors’ products.”

The relationship between Kockums and its German ownership was always rocky after Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werftacquired the previously state-owned Swedish shipbuilding firm in 1999. Absorbed into the ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) conglomerate in 2005, relations only got worse, and suspicions were rife that the acquisition’s primary purpose was to drive Kockums out of the submarine design and building business.

Beginning in February, Fransson said, the Swedish government “came to us saying they wanted underwater capabilities to be a national interest, and they would like Saab to secure the underwater capability.

“We did not say no to that,” she said.

Despite nearly 15 years of foreign ownership, Kockums “remained very much a Swedish company, and was not really integrated into TKMS,” Fransson said.

“There was not a lot of cooperation between TKMS and Kockums before the split,” she noted, “and there is not a lot of cooperation today.”

The two companies, she said, “have good relations — but on a personal level.”

At the Swedish government’s direction, Saab Kockums has restarted the A26 submarine program and is gearing up for design and construction. Fransson was confident about the challenges of restarting construction of specialized naval ships.

“Even if we haven’t built a new submarine in 20 years, we’ve still [handled] the support and maintenance for the Swedish Navy — every year with a submarine in the shipyard” for overhaul.

Much of the shipbuilding expertise remains among the 900 employees absorbed into Saab with the Kockums acquisition.

“We have many people who have stayed at this company 30, 40 years,” she said. “We still have a lot of competence — the competence I trust is there. We have a lot of very strong naval people in Sweden, and they are very attached to Kockums. I’m not worried about the competence.”

The management team is split about half and half between Saab and Kockums people, she said. “I think all the management team have between 20 and 30 years of experience.” And, she added, “we have naval officers that are coming back.”

Under a government contract, Saab Kockums is reviewing the A26 design, “making sure it’s up to the requirements for today. It’s not a basic redesign of the ship,” Fransson added, “but we’ll revalidate the subsystems and subsuppliers.”

Saab Kockums expects the Swedish Navy to decide on the A26 submarines and begin detail design and construction within a couple years. The aim, Fransson said, is to have the first A26 delivered in 2022.

Under TKMS, Kockums was not allowed to market its submarine designs for export, a chief frustration among the Swedes, who were especially proud of their work on the Australian Collins class, an enlarged version of a Kockums design for the Swedish Navy.

Now, the company is eager to re-establish itself in Australia, where the government plans to build a new class of 12 submarines to replace the six Collins vessels.

“My vision is for this to be part of Australia’s new generation of submarines,” Fransson declared. “We have a relationship between Australia.”

Saab, she said, has had employees living in Australia for 20 years supporting military programs, “and we’re seen as an Australian company. That’s Saab. Now with Kockums we can be a serious local bidder for the submarines.

“For me,” she added, “it’s a target for us to bid on the new submarines, and then of course it’s up to Australia to choose which way to go.”

Email: ccavas@defensenews.com.

[Kiriyama]

En espérant pour eux que le volume de production soit suffisant que pour permettre la survie de Kochum. Le marché du sous-marin en Europe est un peu saturé et beaucoup de chantiers navals sont au bord de la faillite.

 

Il faudra passer par l'export. Ce serait bien que SAAB/Kochum propose son A26 à Taïwan.

[Boule75]

La Suède affirme qu'il y avait bien un sous-marin chez elle et fournit quelques images : aucune idée de leur intérêt, mais la BBC en cause.

 

[g4lly]

Waouh c'est de l'imagerie sonar - genre chasseur de mine - qui montrera, une "orniere" laisser pas le mini sous-marin lors de sont "crawling" sur les fonds marins.

[ascromis]

Dommage il manque l'echelle sur cette image sonar..

Ça peut aussi bien être des traces de chenilles tout comme le sillon laissé par une ancre qui aurait rippé...

[Flippy]

Un descendant du NR-1 qui cherche à rouler sur les traces de son illustre ancêtre ?

[Kiriyama]

Encore du grand n'importe quoi cette affaire.

[Philippe Top-Force]

La Suède confirme la recherche d'un sous-marin http://t.co/beHcbLZGdR via @metromontreal

— Philippe Top-Action (@top_force)

January 12, 2015

[LBP]

J'ai jamais rein compris à cette histoire de mini sub ? Que viens foutre les russes dans le coin ?