Une fois n'est pas coutume Scorpion82 qui est un tres grand connaisseur du Typhoon, nous fait une belle demo de son objectivité :
A la question d'un Anglais sur les differentes evaluations techniques à l'issue desquelles le Rafale a été noté plus favorablement que le Rafale :
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I'm afraid you'll find a single link. The various reports about evaluation results were reported over many years within various sources (aviation magazines, internet articles/press releases). Thus far the Rafale has indeed beaten Typhoon in all competions at least wrt the length with which the aircraft maintained in the competition, but you rarely find exact reasons for the "why".
Netherlands (2002):
There was a pure paper evaluation by an political institute evaluating Rafale, Typhoon and JSF and the results were 695, 583 and 697 points in that order. It has not been disclosed how these scores were assigned and in which areas the different aircraft scored how. There was no military evaluation and at best very basic evaluation of technical characteristics, as there was not even a formal transmission of relevant data by the manufacturers to my understanding.
South Korea (2002):
Su-35, Rafale, Typhoon and F-15K were evaluated by the ROKAF for its FX1 phase to procure 40 aircraft. The Su-35 and Typhoon were eliminated in the first round. Dunno whether the Rafale and F-15 were evaluated in SK itself, but I definitely know that the Su-35 and Typhoon weren't.
It has been stated (by the French at least) that the Rafale ultimately beat the F-15 on technical terms, but that the latter was ultimately selected on political grounds, with Boeing being allowed to improve its offer. It has in fact not been disclosed why the Su-35 and Typhoon were eliminated in the first place. I would guess in case of the Su-35 due political and interoperability reasons and possibly due the fact that there was no other customer and in the case of the Typhoon due the lack of maturity at that time. The Typhoon wasn't even flying in production form at the time of the down select and I would have opted for the F-15 as well for the simple reason of interoperability and the fact that it was delivering from day one alone.
Singapore (2005):
After the shortlisting of the F-15, Rafale and Typhoon in October 2003 all three contenders were evaluated in Singapore. Some suggest that the Typhoon was the prefered technical choice, but that it was dropped over uncertainities surrounding future orders and development schedules. At the end the F-15 scored once again, though the French claim once again that the Rafale beat it on technical terms and that the strong Euro was unfavourably pushing the price of the Rafale.
Brazil (2008 up to date):
The Eurofighter, Su-35BM and F-16 blk 60 are eliminated from the competition, the Rafale, Gripen NG and F/A-18E/F are down selected. Once again no reasons are disclosed for the decision. The Rafale is said to lead the race and being favoured by the Brazilian government, though sources suggest that the Industry and Air Force prefer the F/A-18 and Gripen NG. Multiple conflicting reports are leaked/released and the decision is repeatedly postponed. The new government made it clear that it will take the time needed to evaluate the offers thoroughly and the Rafale is no longer the preferred political choice (at least not officially).
Switzerland (2008 up to date):
Gripen, Rafale and Typhoon are all being evaluated by ArmaSuisse. A selection was supposed for 2009 but has been repeatedly delayed due political pressure. Rumours claim that the Rafale is the preferred choice, but there is neither an official confirmation nor an explanation for what reasons the Rafale is preferred.
India (2007 up to date):
This is the most difficult, and if someone asks me ridiculous, competition wrt the rumours. Virtually every contender was claimed to be "leading the race" or being the "preferred solution" or "has performed best in the evaluation". The truth is no one knows for sure and I wouldn't hold my breath at all until some down select is done and even then wait until a final announcement is done. Thus far Rafale and Typhoon are both repeatedly claimed to be leading the race and there are sources/rumours suggesting that both aircraft fared best in the eval, though there are other rumours suggesting others did (particularly Gripen). At the end of the day I would take all these rumours with a pinch of salt until something gets confirmed here, albeit the rumours about Rafale and Typhoon leading this race are quite persistent. But you know how it works, someone says I heared this and that, someone else spreads it somewhere else and at the end of the day a thousand sources are in fact based on a single origin.
Whatever one thing we can say for sure is that the Rafale has repeatedly survived longer than the Typhoon in various conditions, but at the end of the day it got never selected up to date.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1731531&postcount=759
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Je n'aurais pas dit mieux moi même. O0
Concernant les engagements AA Rafale Vs Typhoon et les resultat récent plutot en faveur du Rafale :
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Well it can and I will tell you why. The Rafale has a very "lifty" design and lift is critical for an aircraft's manoeuvrability. The close coupled canard arrangement has a direct impact on the airflow over the wings and can optimise it to improve lift. Typhoon's canards have litte to no impact on wing lift as they are de-coupled. They simply serve a different purpose which is nose authority.
Add to that that the Rafale has a wider fuselage which generates more lift, a lower sweep angle reducing AoA induced drag and leading edge extensions on the wings to energize the airflow over the wings. The result is more lift the subsequent gains from it. That's why the Rafale performs better at low speeds and that's the area where many of those gun fights end up.
The Typhoon offers a more or less similar instantaneous turning performance, but the Rafale sustaines turns better and that decides about winning the match if it isn't decided rather quickly. The difference might not be THAT great but with equally skilled pilots the Rafale would have the edge.
I'd nonetheless prefer a HMD equipped fighter with HOBS missiles, as in real combat pilots won't use guns until they are really forced to use them.
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In general you can't and one must bear in mind that there were more encounters between the two types than just these. I personally take claims like superior MMI, superior sensor fusion and better FCS with a pinch of salt as these claims come from people who haven't flown the Typhoon (there's at least no evidence for it).
The description of the Typhoon as stated in the article wrt sensor fusion is definitely not correct, but may be owed to a wrong understanding of the concept employed on the Typhoon. It COULD be that the French pilot who claimed that is simply not really aware of how things work on the Typhoon and that he mistook the the different display formats as being unrelated and decoupled.
At the end of the day the Rafale is definitely not just a bomb truck as claimed by many critics and I think this is one of the reasons why the French (and I don't mean just the enthusiasts) are eager to show the world how it really is. Air combat is further more complex and in some cases a single factor might make the difference between winning or loosing, though some of these factors might be subject to change (sensors, counter measures etc.).
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1731791&postcount=769
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Venant d'une personne qui connait aussi bien le Typhoon et qui a ses "entrées" dans certains milieux autorisés, je pense que ce bout de texte peut servir de révérence pour ce qui est des perf comparées des 2 avions en A2A.
